1 00:00:06,889 --> 00:00:04,130 Secrets cover-ups and strange phenomena 2 00:00:09,890 --> 00:00:06,899 UFOs and ideas that challenge reality 3 00:00:11,509 --> 00:00:09,900 itself all these Mysteries all this time 4 00:00:14,089 --> 00:00:11,519 are we ever going to get to the bottom 5 00:00:16,609 --> 00:00:14,099 of these my name is George Knapp I dig 6 00:00:18,950 --> 00:00:16,619 into news stories that others can't or 7 00:00:20,630 --> 00:00:18,960 won't I'm Jeremy Corbell and for some 8 00:00:22,670 --> 00:00:20,640 reason people tell me things they 9 00:00:24,910 --> 00:00:22,680 probably shouldn't 10 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:24,920 and this is weapons 11 00:00:30,410 --> 00:00:28,380 [Music] 12 00:00:33,470 --> 00:00:30,420 George good to see you and you Jeremy 13 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:33,480 this is unexpected uh well you know 14 00:00:37,130 --> 00:00:35,340 we've been asked to do a lot of podcasts 15 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:37,140 over the years as guests we've been 16 00:00:40,970 --> 00:00:39,600 asked to host them as well and finally 17 00:00:42,010 --> 00:00:40,980 we decided the time is right and go 18 00:00:44,090 --> 00:00:42,020 ahead and do it and it's called 19 00:00:46,610 --> 00:00:44,100 weaponized why did you come up with that 20 00:00:48,950 --> 00:00:46,620 name why did you come up come on man 21 00:00:51,350 --> 00:00:48,960 it's a horrible man I mean you have used 22 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:51,360 that word that term before and it works 23 00:00:55,790 --> 00:00:53,280 I mean it's it's a good grabby word 24 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:55,800 right yeah yeah I mean uh you know 25 00:00:59,450 --> 00:00:57,600 everybody hates it when I say it but it 26 00:01:02,270 --> 00:00:59,460 was born from I said in some interview 27 00:01:03,889 --> 00:01:02,280 my curiosity has been weaponized and 28 00:01:06,469 --> 00:01:03,899 that that just stuck with me people were 29 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:06,479 haunting me with it so I embraced it but 30 00:01:11,149 --> 00:01:07,860 but I think the point for you and me 31 00:01:13,010 --> 00:01:11,159 both is there are things that just keep 32 00:01:15,950 --> 00:01:13,020 us up at night things that we can't put 33 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:15,960 down like for 35 years studying UFOs 40 34 00:01:21,170 --> 00:01:18,479 years whatever you've been doing so for 35 00:01:22,789 --> 00:01:21,180 me the title weaponized is that there 36 00:01:25,490 --> 00:01:22,799 are these things that we can't put down 37 00:01:27,410 --> 00:01:25,500 to keep us up at night and on the show 38 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:27,420 we're going to cover all the things that 39 00:01:31,910 --> 00:01:29,700 do that to us that excited that was my 40 00:01:34,609 --> 00:01:31,920 thinking yeah and you know we we are 41 00:01:36,410 --> 00:01:34,619 identified uh on purpose with the UFO 42 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:36,420 subject and we certainly are going to be 43 00:01:40,370 --> 00:01:38,400 talking about UFOs and all of its 44 00:01:41,630 --> 00:01:40,380 various ramifications but that's not all 45 00:01:44,030 --> 00:01:41,640 that we're going to cover in this 46 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:44,040 program right right and and I want to 47 00:01:48,469 --> 00:01:46,200 start there a little bit for people that 48 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:48,479 don't know you you know I mean the the 49 00:01:51,649 --> 00:01:50,220 big question like who is George Knapp 50 00:01:54,109 --> 00:01:51,659 how do we find him you know sitting here 51 00:01:56,450 --> 00:01:54,119 in the seat so I know George Knapp as 52 00:01:58,910 --> 00:01:56,460 investigative reporter out of Las Vegas 53 00:02:00,649 --> 00:01:58,920 Nevada and that was my introduction to 54 00:02:02,870 --> 00:02:00,659 looking for you it was through UFOs 55 00:02:04,249 --> 00:02:02,880 trying to find you so can you give us a 56 00:02:07,789 --> 00:02:04,259 few you know kind of key points of 57 00:02:11,510 --> 00:02:07,799 people that don't know you I am uh based 58 00:02:13,850 --> 00:02:11,520 in Las Vegas I started in 1981 at klas 59 00:02:16,670 --> 00:02:13,860 TV as a general assignment reporter I 60 00:02:19,670 --> 00:02:16,680 then became an anchor commentator in the 61 00:02:21,530 --> 00:02:19,680 mid 90s that the station created uh the 62 00:02:23,449 --> 00:02:21,540 i-team the investigative unit and uh 63 00:02:25,369 --> 00:02:23,459 since 1995 I've been the chief 64 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:25,379 investigative reporter and in those 65 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:27,060 years you know Las Vegas is the best 66 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:28,800 news town in America and I've covered 67 00:02:32,990 --> 00:02:30,840 everything I've covered the mob 68 00:02:35,930 --> 00:02:33,000 organized crime The Exorcism of all the 69 00:02:39,070 --> 00:02:35,940 Mobsters political scandals corruption 70 00:02:42,110 --> 00:02:39,080 government officials uh celebrities 71 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:42,120 murderers bikers fires every kind of 72 00:02:47,449 --> 00:02:44,040 story you can imagine in this great news 73 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:47,459 town but since 1987 I've been known as 74 00:02:51,229 --> 00:02:49,440 the UFL reporter and you know it comes 75 00:02:53,089 --> 00:02:51,239 with the territory it's my own fault for 76 00:02:55,309 --> 00:02:53,099 that no matter what other story I've 77 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:55,319 done and what other Awards I've won and 78 00:03:00,830 --> 00:02:57,120 I've won a lot of them national awards 79 00:03:02,390 --> 00:03:00,840 uh peabodies Dupont Edward R Murrow 28 80 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:02,400 Regional Emmys a bunch of other stuff 81 00:03:07,070 --> 00:03:04,319 but no matter what story I do no matter 82 00:03:10,610 --> 00:03:07,080 how big it is I'm the UFO guy and it's 83 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:10,620 my own fault because in 1987 84 00:03:15,589 --> 00:03:12,720 a guy named John Lear walked into the TV 85 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:15,599 station and he had a stack of documents 86 00:03:19,970 --> 00:03:17,640 turned out to be UFO documents and he 87 00:03:23,149 --> 00:03:19,980 dropped them on the desk of my managing 88 00:03:26,170 --> 00:03:23,159 editor my good buddy my my my running 89 00:03:28,490 --> 00:03:26,180 partner Ned day who was the principal 90 00:03:31,369 --> 00:03:28,500 muckraker investigative reporter of his 91 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:31,379 era Ned worked with my news director at 92 00:03:34,729 --> 00:03:33,180 the time Robert stodall the most 93 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:34,739 important newsman and probably the 94 00:03:39,050 --> 00:03:36,360 modern history of Journalism in Nevada 95 00:03:41,449 --> 00:03:39,060 those guys had a long time standing 96 00:03:42,830 --> 00:03:41,459 interest in a place called Area 51 and 97 00:03:45,229 --> 00:03:42,840 they had tried to get me interested in 98 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:45,239 it as well in the mid 1980s the U.S Air 99 00:03:51,890 --> 00:03:48,840 Force illegally seized 89 000 acres of 100 00:03:54,229 --> 00:03:51,900 land around area 51. one day it's public 101 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:54,239 land and anybody drive up there the next 102 00:03:59,330 --> 00:03:56,580 day you'd run into armed guards it's off 103 00:04:01,190 --> 00:03:59,340 limits only months later did they ask 104 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:01,200 for permission so we all had an idea 105 00:04:05,330 --> 00:04:02,519 something really interesting was going 106 00:04:07,070 --> 00:04:05,340 on in the desert out there and Lear had 107 00:04:10,130 --> 00:04:07,080 helped Bob and Ned break a really big 108 00:04:12,649 --> 00:04:10,140 story about the existence of a plane 109 00:04:14,690 --> 00:04:12,659 that was in visible to radar seems 110 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:14,700 Preposterous at the time but Lear had 111 00:04:18,409 --> 00:04:16,620 given information to Ned and Bob they 112 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:18,419 broke the story before any of the 113 00:04:22,730 --> 00:04:20,880 national news organizations did so Lear 114 00:04:24,950 --> 00:04:22,740 had a certain credibility with with 115 00:04:27,230 --> 00:04:24,960 those guys his father of course Bill 116 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:27,240 Lear had developed the eight-track tape 117 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:29,880 and the Learjet John had run for public 118 00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:32,820 office he had flown for the seat CIA he 119 00:04:36,170 --> 00:04:34,560 was a really interesting guy comes into 120 00:04:38,390 --> 00:04:36,180 the station with a stack of documents 121 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:38,400 tells Ned this is an even bigger story 122 00:04:42,170 --> 00:04:40,320 than the stealth fighter Ned this is 123 00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:42,180 going to make your career it's about the 124 00:04:46,670 --> 00:04:44,160 UFO cover-up biggest story in history 125 00:04:48,650 --> 00:04:46,680 here's the documentation to prove it Ned 126 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:48,660 paused through the documents 127 00:04:53,749 --> 00:04:50,580 takes a look at a couple of the pages 128 00:04:56,210 --> 00:04:53,759 and then pushes it back at Lear and says 129 00:04:57,890 --> 00:04:56,220 look I'm not touching this if this was 130 00:05:00,650 --> 00:04:57,900 true I don't really know about it kind 131 00:05:02,629 --> 00:05:00,660 of cocky like it was in those days so 132 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:02,639 Lear had kind of dejectively grabs up 133 00:05:05,990 --> 00:05:04,080 his pile he's walking out of The 134 00:05:08,150 --> 00:05:06,000 Newsroom I had been eavesdropping which 135 00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:08,160 I tend to do and I said hey let me take 136 00:05:12,530 --> 00:05:10,380 a look at that so he left the pile with 137 00:05:14,749 --> 00:05:12,540 me I read through it these are documents 138 00:05:16,909 --> 00:05:14,759 obtained through foia you know prior to 139 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:16,919 the existence of foil created in the 140 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:20,880 1970s if you asked the FBI or CIA or 141 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:22,860 pentagon have you got any documents 142 00:05:26,570 --> 00:05:24,840 about UFOs they'd say no and we're not 143 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:26,580 going to give them to you and they deny 144 00:05:31,189 --> 00:05:28,800 it after foia becomes the law of the 145 00:05:34,189 --> 00:05:31,199 land thousands of pages of documentation 146 00:05:36,890 --> 00:05:34,199 were forced out of the government and 147 00:05:39,650 --> 00:05:36,900 into the hands of UFO investigators and 148 00:05:41,689 --> 00:05:39,660 researchers so that's the primary uh 149 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:41,699 composition of that pile I thought well 150 00:05:45,230 --> 00:05:43,620 this is really interesting because 151 00:05:47,810 --> 00:05:45,240 you know we all have the same kind of 152 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:47,820 level of interest in UFOs I wonder if 153 00:05:51,590 --> 00:05:49,680 that's true but never really dug into it 154 00:05:53,029 --> 00:05:51,600 right but you had you were not a UFO guy 155 00:05:54,770 --> 00:05:53,039 before that you hadn't spent a lot of 156 00:05:56,990 --> 00:05:54,780 time when you were young thinking about 157 00:05:59,990 --> 00:05:57,000 this is you're just uh at this point a 158 00:06:01,850 --> 00:06:00,000 news reporter and a new news reporter 159 00:06:03,590 --> 00:06:01,860 and you're just eavesdropping on your 160 00:06:05,689 --> 00:06:03,600 boss and you hear this and it excites 161 00:06:07,969 --> 00:06:05,699 yeah so there had been some stories in 162 00:06:10,249 --> 00:06:07,979 my family that I'll tell someday just 163 00:06:12,590 --> 00:06:10,259 not today so I had a I had an interest 164 00:06:14,210 --> 00:06:12,600 in it but I had no UFO books I think I 165 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:14,220 might own one that had been given me as 166 00:06:17,570 --> 00:06:16,320 present had not done any research but I 167 00:06:19,370 --> 00:06:17,580 started looking at these I thought this 168 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:19,380 is really interesting because the story 169 00:06:23,210 --> 00:06:21,360 at the time as told by our government is 170 00:06:25,129 --> 00:06:23,220 there's nothing to it we've investigated 171 00:06:27,170 --> 00:06:25,139 it it's all but explained Project Blue 172 00:06:29,330 --> 00:06:27,180 Book go on your way don't worry about 173 00:06:31,309 --> 00:06:29,340 this at all these documents showed that 174 00:06:33,529 --> 00:06:31,319 was a much different picture behind the 175 00:06:35,330 --> 00:06:33,539 scenes that in fact military officials 176 00:06:37,969 --> 00:06:35,340 were very concerned about this that 177 00:06:39,710 --> 00:06:37,979 recognize it's a legitimate issue that 178 00:06:41,210 --> 00:06:39,720 these are not ours they're not Russians 179 00:06:43,249 --> 00:06:41,220 they're from somewhere else they might 180 00:06:44,990 --> 00:06:43,259 be extraterrestrial I thought great oh 181 00:06:47,510 --> 00:06:45,000 maybe I I'll just dig into this and at 182 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:47,520 the time I produced a little on the a 183 00:06:52,189 --> 00:06:49,620 program called on the record a half hour 184 00:06:53,990 --> 00:06:52,199 public affairs show typically I would 185 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:54,000 interview a county commissioner a City 186 00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:55,680 Commissioner something like that it 187 00:06:59,150 --> 00:06:57,120 aired at six o'clock in the morning 188 00:07:01,129 --> 00:06:59,160 under Saturday or Sunday very limited 189 00:07:02,749 --> 00:07:01,139 audience I thought what the heck I'll 190 00:07:04,969 --> 00:07:02,759 put later on this show see what he does 191 00:07:07,249 --> 00:07:04,979 and I put him on and just wound him up 192 00:07:09,170 --> 00:07:07,259 and let him go and holy cow I was blown 193 00:07:11,749 --> 00:07:09,180 away I mean that's a that's a pretty 194 00:07:13,790 --> 00:07:11,759 famous clip now you got out of nowhere 195 00:07:16,370 --> 00:07:13,800 you got this guy coming at you you know 196 00:07:18,409 --> 00:07:16,380 telling you all this [\h__\h] about UFOs and 197 00:07:20,210 --> 00:07:18,419 I just remember looking at your face in 198 00:07:22,249 --> 00:07:20,220 these original interviews and that it 199 00:07:23,390 --> 00:07:22,259 was almost like disdain you're like you 200 00:07:25,370 --> 00:07:23,400 couldn't believe what he was saying 201 00:07:26,629 --> 00:07:25,380 you're almost like angry about some of 202 00:07:28,969 --> 00:07:26,639 what he said because it was so 203 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:28,979 outrageous but apparently you you 204 00:07:33,589 --> 00:07:30,960 changed your attitude later on so what 205 00:07:35,749 --> 00:07:33,599 happened after that he unleashes this 206 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:35,759 barrage this incredibly elaborate 207 00:07:40,129 --> 00:07:37,800 conspiracy theory the the Lear white 208 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:40,139 paper that is now known in UFO circles 209 00:07:44,570 --> 00:07:42,180 about we've got a secret treaty with 210 00:07:46,850 --> 00:07:44,580 aliens and they we allow them to abduct 211 00:07:48,650 --> 00:07:46,860 people and in exchange for technology 212 00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:48,660 and all kinds of cover-up stuff and 213 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:51,120 assassinations and I was blown away I 214 00:07:55,790 --> 00:07:52,560 thought well did I make a mistake in 215 00:07:57,350 --> 00:07:55,800 doing this but oh he gets off the show 216 00:07:59,510 --> 00:07:57,360 uh thanks John that was really 217 00:08:00,469 --> 00:07:59,520 interesting and my phone starts ringing 218 00:08:03,110 --> 00:08:00,479 and 219 00:08:05,990 --> 00:08:03,120 people start inquiring what was that 220 00:08:07,790 --> 00:08:06,000 about who was that guy is this real and 221 00:08:09,469 --> 00:08:07,800 that kept ringing and I realized you 222 00:08:11,390 --> 00:08:09,479 know at the time well this this is of 223 00:08:13,129 --> 00:08:11,400 interest to the public here so I had him 224 00:08:15,290 --> 00:08:13,139 on again I started reading a little bit 225 00:08:16,850 --> 00:08:15,300 more about it I went up to see Lear he 226 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:16,860 gave me a bunch of more documents from 227 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:19,800 his files and I had him on again uh some 228 00:08:24,350 --> 00:08:22,740 months later so so you interested you 229 00:08:26,629 --> 00:08:24,360 realized the public was interested in 230 00:08:28,369 --> 00:08:26,639 this you had never had a response like 231 00:08:29,990 --> 00:08:28,379 that I had no idea and then the second 232 00:08:32,930 --> 00:08:30,000 time I had him on the response was even 233 00:08:34,969 --> 00:08:32,940 bigger that's when it really set in that 234 00:08:36,290 --> 00:08:34,979 this topic touches the pulse of the 235 00:08:38,329 --> 00:08:36,300 public in a way that I did not 236 00:08:40,190 --> 00:08:38,339 understand before or appreciate had him 237 00:08:42,050 --> 00:08:40,200 on a third time with a guy named Bill 238 00:08:44,570 --> 00:08:42,060 Cooper and we'll talk about that at some 239 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:44,580 point in on the weapon why why did it 240 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:47,040 grasp the public imagination at that 241 00:08:51,470 --> 00:08:49,260 time do you think so severely that Lear 242 00:08:52,910 --> 00:08:51,480 was saying all this stuff about UFOs why 243 00:08:55,430 --> 00:08:52,920 do you think the public was going crazy 244 00:08:57,769 --> 00:08:55,440 you know I I didn't understand it at the 245 00:08:59,329 --> 00:08:57,779 time I understand a lot more now is that 246 00:09:01,190 --> 00:08:59,339 this is a fundamental question of 247 00:09:03,590 --> 00:09:01,200 whether we are alone in the universe and 248 00:09:05,329 --> 00:09:03,600 the public really is it is also 249 00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:05,339 motivated by the idea that they've been 250 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:06,959 lied to I know that that is what 251 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:09,060 motivated me in the beginning the idea 252 00:09:12,170 --> 00:09:10,800 that these documents show that the 253 00:09:14,090 --> 00:09:12,180 government and the military in 254 00:09:16,670 --> 00:09:14,100 particular have a much different opinion 255 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:16,680 about UFOs behind the scenes than the 256 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:18,000 one that they've been sharing with the 257 00:09:21,410 --> 00:09:19,920 public and it pissed me off these were 258 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:21,420 been lying to us these were official 259 00:09:25,550 --> 00:09:23,040 doctors yeah these are foia documents so 260 00:09:26,750 --> 00:09:25,560 you got you got really bit by this when 261 00:09:28,190 --> 00:09:26,760 you're seeing the dichotomy between 262 00:09:29,690 --> 00:09:28,200 these official documents from our 263 00:09:31,070 --> 00:09:29,700 government talking about UFOs and how 264 00:09:34,009 --> 00:09:31,080 they told you they were nonsense and 265 00:09:35,630 --> 00:09:34,019 you're like [\h__\h] this yeah so I had him 266 00:09:37,190 --> 00:09:35,640 on a third time the response was big 267 00:09:40,370 --> 00:09:37,200 again I thought you know and in that 268 00:09:42,050 --> 00:09:40,380 third show Lear hints about something 269 00:09:44,690 --> 00:09:42,060 that's out there in the Nevada desert 270 00:09:46,850 --> 00:09:44,700 reverse engineering of flying saucers 271 00:09:48,829 --> 00:09:46,860 alien craft that are being taken apart 272 00:09:50,389 --> 00:09:48,839 to figure out how they work and I 273 00:09:52,850 --> 00:09:50,399 thought that's a pretty outrageous claim 274 00:09:54,350 --> 00:09:52,860 but in light of the things that he had 275 00:09:56,030 --> 00:09:54,360 told us before that turned out to be 276 00:09:58,009 --> 00:09:56,040 true maybe we should look at it and he 277 00:10:02,509 --> 00:09:58,019 hinted that he knew a guy who'd been 278 00:10:04,910 --> 00:10:02,519 hired to work at a place near Area 51 I 279 00:10:07,130 --> 00:10:04,920 didn't know who this guy was six months 280 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:07,140 go by I'm anchoring the five o'clock 281 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:10,200 news and we have a five minute live 282 00:10:14,350 --> 00:10:11,880 interview segment every day on the news 283 00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:14,360 it was you know newsmakers celebrities 284 00:10:20,210 --> 00:10:17,760 uh our guest of that day canceled at the 285 00:10:22,490 --> 00:10:20,220 last minute maybe an hour and a half 286 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:22,500 before the show I called up Lear I 287 00:10:26,090 --> 00:10:23,880 thought hey you know you told me about 288 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:26,100 your UFO guy who's gonna go to work on 289 00:10:29,329 --> 00:10:27,420 this base 290 00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:29,339 do you think he might talk to me I had 291 00:10:33,470 --> 00:10:31,920 no idea who Lazar Bob Lazar was I had no 292 00:10:35,690 --> 00:10:33,480 idea what had been going on in his life 293 00:10:39,050 --> 00:10:35,700 but what had been happening was it 294 00:10:41,210 --> 00:10:39,060 unfolded it was a very dramatic personal 295 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:41,220 Odyssey for him and he was afraid he 296 00:10:43,310 --> 00:10:42,360 would at the time he was going to be 297 00:10:44,930 --> 00:10:43,320 killed 298 00:10:47,449 --> 00:10:44,940 um because he'd been out there and had 299 00:10:49,850 --> 00:10:47,459 seen this amazing technology would your 300 00:10:52,430 --> 00:10:49,860 guy come on the show and boom it was not 301 00:10:54,050 --> 00:10:52,440 30 minutes later uh Lazar I didn't know 302 00:10:56,269 --> 00:10:54,060 his name at the time was on his way to 303 00:10:58,190 --> 00:10:56,279 lear's house we set a live unit up there 304 00:11:00,949 --> 00:10:58,200 set up an interview and at five o'clock 305 00:11:03,769 --> 00:11:00,959 we let it spill out into people's uh uh 306 00:11:06,530 --> 00:11:03,779 living rooms on Via television and he 307 00:11:08,509 --> 00:11:06,540 told this amazing story I had no idea 308 00:11:09,769 --> 00:11:08,519 what he was going to say but he tells 309 00:11:11,690 --> 00:11:09,779 this story that there was a secret 310 00:11:14,170 --> 00:11:11,700 program that he worked for the U.S Navy 311 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:14,180 but the base was a place called S4 312 00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:17,100 adjacent to Papoose Dry Lake South the 313 00:11:21,769 --> 00:11:19,800 barrier 51 or south of Groom Lake rather 314 00:11:23,210 --> 00:11:21,779 and that built into the side of the 315 00:11:25,190 --> 00:11:23,220 mountain were these hangers and that 316 00:11:27,350 --> 00:11:25,200 inside the hangars were nine flying 317 00:11:29,329 --> 00:11:27,360 saucers flying discs as if we had the 318 00:11:31,370 --> 00:11:29,339 variety of pack and that we are taking 319 00:11:33,530 --> 00:11:31,380 up a part to figure out how they work 320 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:33,540 this is alien technology it's not 321 00:11:38,630 --> 00:11:36,240 American Technology and wow just blew 322 00:11:40,250 --> 00:11:38,640 everyone away and I think you treated it 323 00:11:41,930 --> 00:11:40,260 you know from seeing those historic 324 00:11:43,730 --> 00:11:41,940 interviews because that is how I got 325 00:11:45,230 --> 00:11:43,740 interested in this subject was you know 326 00:11:47,569 --> 00:11:45,240 we'll talk about that in a little bit 327 00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:47,579 but just here in you and Lazar and the 328 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:49,019 broadcast but what I noticed that I 329 00:11:53,569 --> 00:11:51,300 still notice now I look back you treated 330 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:53,579 it like news you didn't like everybody 331 00:11:57,590 --> 00:11:56,100 else just say ah this is [\h__\h] I'm 332 00:11:59,210 --> 00:11:57,600 going to make some joke you said okay 333 00:12:00,590 --> 00:11:59,220 that you know thank you for being here 334 00:12:02,810 --> 00:12:00,600 thanks for reporting in he was in 335 00:12:04,670 --> 00:12:02,820 silhouette but the way you treated it 336 00:12:06,110 --> 00:12:04,680 made us think wait wait a second let's 337 00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:06,120 look at this guy now you didn't believe 338 00:12:10,130 --> 00:12:08,880 Lazar right off the bat no no no no I 339 00:12:12,769 --> 00:12:10,140 thought it was outrageous but I thought 340 00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:12,779 you know Lear has ledmus down this road 341 00:12:15,889 --> 00:12:14,399 and some of what he's told us has turned 342 00:12:18,290 --> 00:12:15,899 out to be true and this guy Lazar 343 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:18,300 whoever he was sounded pretty credible 344 00:12:22,130 --> 00:12:20,040 we asked him some pointed questions 345 00:12:24,050 --> 00:12:22,140 about his background and who he worked 346 00:12:25,790 --> 00:12:24,060 for and how it operated and how they're 347 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:25,800 able to keep this a secret and he had 348 00:12:30,230 --> 00:12:27,839 good answers and it didn't seem like he 349 00:12:32,569 --> 00:12:30,240 was making it up so we get off the set 350 00:12:34,190 --> 00:12:32,579 the news director pulls me in the 351 00:12:37,069 --> 00:12:34,200 general manager comes rolling in and go 352 00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:37,079 what the hell was that is that real is 353 00:12:41,630 --> 00:12:39,600 it for is he telling the truth I said I 354 00:12:44,810 --> 00:12:41,640 have no idea but I'm going to find out 355 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:44,820 yeah that weekend uh Bob stodall and I 356 00:12:48,170 --> 00:12:46,320 go up to lear's house we said I want to 357 00:12:49,670 --> 00:12:48,180 meet this guy and we go to lear's house 358 00:12:51,410 --> 00:12:49,680 and there were some back and forth 359 00:12:53,810 --> 00:12:51,420 gamesmanship that was played but 360 00:12:55,910 --> 00:12:53,820 eventually get to meet Lazar we put him 361 00:12:58,250 --> 00:12:55,920 through his Paces ask him questions for 362 00:13:00,050 --> 00:12:58,260 three four hours and he had good answers 363 00:13:02,930 --> 00:13:00,060 about his background about what he did 364 00:13:04,310 --> 00:13:02,940 out there about the technology sodal and 365 00:13:07,310 --> 00:13:04,320 I leave that meeting looking at each 366 00:13:08,810 --> 00:13:07,320 other going holy crap I mean what if 367 00:13:10,850 --> 00:13:08,820 this is real this would be the biggest 368 00:13:13,129 --> 00:13:10,860 story in history and it's right here in 369 00:13:14,990 --> 00:13:13,139 our backyard we got to look into it 370 00:13:17,569 --> 00:13:15,000 snowed all says you know maybe we could 371 00:13:20,569 --> 00:13:17,579 do a multi-part series like five minutes 372 00:13:22,730 --> 00:13:20,579 a night that's only funny because we end 373 00:13:25,490 --> 00:13:22,740 up doing a nine part Series 13 14 374 00:13:28,430 --> 00:13:25,500 minutes a piece the longest uh stories I 375 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:28,440 ever produced for television and uh so I 376 00:13:32,569 --> 00:13:30,420 started and I started in the next seven 377 00:13:34,370 --> 00:13:32,579 and a half eight months I dug full time 378 00:13:36,530 --> 00:13:34,380 into UFOs and I thought to tell the 379 00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:36,540 story of Bob Lazar had to understand the 380 00:13:41,150 --> 00:13:38,360 bigger picture the history of UFOs 381 00:13:42,949 --> 00:13:41,160 separate wheat from chaff who's credible 382 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:42,959 who is it what lies has the military 383 00:13:47,810 --> 00:13:45,660 told what is the paper trail that is 384 00:13:49,190 --> 00:13:47,820 really what hooked me is the paper trail 385 00:13:51,050 --> 00:13:49,200 the documents that we've just been 386 00:13:52,430 --> 00:13:51,060 talking about that indicate they know a 387 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:52,440 lot more than that what they've told us 388 00:13:56,690 --> 00:13:54,180 so and you thought you're gonna crack 389 00:13:59,150 --> 00:13:56,700 the story yeah I I was cocky the UFO 390 00:14:00,889 --> 00:13:59,160 story you know I'm reading I read 391 00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:00,899 everything about UFOs I read everything 392 00:14:05,150 --> 00:14:02,639 I could get my hands on and I realized 393 00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:05,160 this field is a mess this topic is an 394 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:07,320 absolute disaster because there's so 395 00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:10,920 many hucksters and and uh fraudsters and 396 00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:12,959 people making stuff up and you can't 397 00:14:16,970 --> 00:14:14,760 tell who's A ufologist from a 398 00:14:18,410 --> 00:14:16,980 pseudo-ufologist and who's real and who 399 00:14:20,990 --> 00:14:18,420 isn't there's a lot of nonsense in there 400 00:14:23,090 --> 00:14:21,000 there give me six months and I'll have 401 00:14:24,650 --> 00:14:23,100 this figured out well you know it's 33 402 00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,660 years later and I haven't figured it out 403 00:14:29,569 --> 00:14:26,399 yet but I've at least figured out some 404 00:14:31,850 --> 00:14:29,579 of it so from that day on you know I dug 405 00:14:34,129 --> 00:14:31,860 into UFOs and have never stopped and we 406 00:14:38,329 --> 00:14:34,139 produced a a nine part Series in 407 00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:38,339 November uh of that year and 1989 and it 408 00:14:42,050 --> 00:14:40,260 was the biggest highest rated series 409 00:14:44,509 --> 00:14:42,060 that's ever been produced for local news 410 00:14:46,430 --> 00:14:44,519 in Las Vegas it pirated copies went all 411 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:46,440 over the world I did a follow-up series 412 00:14:51,170 --> 00:14:48,000 six months later 413 00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:51,180 had an even bigger reaction or at least 414 00:14:55,009 --> 00:14:53,279 an equal reaction and it was off the 415 00:14:58,430 --> 00:14:55,019 races from there and luckily at that 416 00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:58,440 time just my luck mufon had its 417 00:15:02,329 --> 00:15:00,240 International Symposium in Las Vegas 418 00:15:04,850 --> 00:15:02,339 that year so right after I started 419 00:15:07,550 --> 00:15:04,860 working on Lazar and the uh what became 420 00:15:09,710 --> 00:15:07,560 UFOs the best evidence the UFO world 421 00:15:11,689 --> 00:15:09,720 came to my door uh there I got to meet 422 00:15:13,850 --> 00:15:11,699 Stan Friedman and interview him Walt 423 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:13,860 Andrus the head of MoveOn I got to meet 424 00:15:20,810 --> 00:15:17,160 Linda Howell and uh and uh subsequently 425 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:20,820 met uh Bud Hopkins Whitley streber 426 00:15:25,790 --> 00:15:23,760 John Mack all the luminaries the really 427 00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:25,800 credible hard-working people who knew 428 00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:27,839 this topic and they shared so much with 429 00:15:31,069 --> 00:15:29,279 me over that and there was no turning 430 00:15:34,009 --> 00:15:31,079 back after that then I'm the UFO guy 431 00:15:35,449 --> 00:15:34,019 right but you continued as a as a 432 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:35,459 journalist break in mob stories I mean 433 00:15:39,350 --> 00:15:37,260 UFOs might not have killed you yet but 434 00:15:41,329 --> 00:15:39,360 Mobsters sure have tried to I mean there 435 00:15:43,250 --> 00:15:41,339 there's a lot that you went through all 436 00:15:45,050 --> 00:15:43,260 these years being a journalist taking 437 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:45,060 heat from people about the about the 438 00:15:49,129 --> 00:15:47,160 fact you're treating the UFO thing with 439 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:49,139 journalistic Integrity that wasn't so 440 00:15:55,370 --> 00:15:53,040 cool 10 15 20 25 years ago like it is 441 00:15:57,170 --> 00:15:55,380 today it's okay to talk about it yeah it 442 00:15:58,730 --> 00:15:57,180 wasn't cool at all in fact and you know 443 00:16:00,350 --> 00:15:58,740 it was cool with the public the thing is 444 00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:00,360 the public couldn't get enough of it and 445 00:16:05,689 --> 00:16:03,180 no matter where I went to this day uh 446 00:16:07,850 --> 00:16:05,699 the public if I'm in a grocery store I'm 447 00:16:09,949 --> 00:16:07,860 in a bar I'm at a restaurant people come 448 00:16:11,449 --> 00:16:09,959 up and engage with me they want to they 449 00:16:13,550 --> 00:16:11,459 ask me do you really believe that stuff 450 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:13,560 and what they really want to know is uh 451 00:16:16,730 --> 00:16:15,360 they want to tell me their UFO story and 452 00:16:18,410 --> 00:16:16,740 it seems like everyone's got one yeah 453 00:16:21,889 --> 00:16:18,420 and so the public key couldn't get 454 00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:21,899 enough the the pushback came for from my 455 00:16:26,569 --> 00:16:24,360 journalistic brethren they hated it I 456 00:16:28,970 --> 00:16:26,579 got nothing but crap about it the 457 00:16:31,550 --> 00:16:28,980 newspapers in town ran editorial 458 00:16:33,889 --> 00:16:31,560 cartoons the columnists made fun of the 459 00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:33,899 you people with UFO beanies and look 460 00:16:38,269 --> 00:16:36,060 over there there's E.T and Elvis and and 461 00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:38,279 all kinds of columns that whacked me on 462 00:16:44,030 --> 00:16:41,279 a regular basis the morning uh radio DJs 463 00:16:45,949 --> 00:16:44,040 would when they'd run out of belch barf 464 00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:45,959 and fart jokes would take off on me they 465 00:16:50,090 --> 00:16:47,940 wrote songs about it I started getting 466 00:16:53,389 --> 00:16:50,100 letters from all over the world wacky 467 00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:53,399 crazy letters from UFO people who told 468 00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:56,160 me they'd been abducted about sexual 469 00:16:59,870 --> 00:16:58,079 things that aliens had done to them I 470 00:17:02,210 --> 00:16:59,880 mean a lot of it was really crazy but I 471 00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:02,220 tried to to always treat it like a news 472 00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:04,740 story and I could never understand the 473 00:17:09,169 --> 00:17:07,740 uh the animosity from my fellow 474 00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:09,179 journalists because the people who were 475 00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:12,000 bashing me on a regular basis back then 476 00:17:15,949 --> 00:17:14,459 had never done any of the work it was 477 00:17:18,289 --> 00:17:15,959 easier to sit there and type up some 478 00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:18,299 Wise Cracks the same UFO jokes that have 479 00:17:22,850 --> 00:17:21,600 withhold a million times since then and 480 00:17:24,890 --> 00:17:22,860 before then 481 00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:24,900 um it was easier to do that than to do 482 00:17:29,870 --> 00:17:27,959 the work to go sit out in at Area 51 in 483 00:17:32,030 --> 00:17:29,880 the desert night after night as I did 484 00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:32,040 hundreds of times to try to see what 485 00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,080 ever was flying around in the sky to dig 486 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:36,480 into lazar's background to investigate 487 00:17:40,370 --> 00:17:38,280 the background of other people who had 488 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:40,380 worked in the military who had some 489 00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,260 recognition of UFOs and knowledge of of 490 00:17:47,390 --> 00:17:45,600 secret programs and that was hard stuff 491 00:17:48,830 --> 00:17:47,400 that was real journalism and that's 492 00:17:51,529 --> 00:17:48,840 that's how I always tried to approach it 493 00:17:53,870 --> 00:17:51,539 as a real legitimate Story Once you 494 00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:53,880 separate the wheat from the chaff and 495 00:17:58,490 --> 00:17:57,000 and get down to the bottom of it 95 496 00:18:00,289 --> 00:17:58,500 percent of everything you hear in the 497 00:18:02,029 --> 00:18:00,299 field is probably explainable but that 498 00:18:04,669 --> 00:18:02,039 other five percent is really interesting 499 00:18:06,409 --> 00:18:04,679 and it could be as we said at that first 500 00:18:07,730 --> 00:18:06,419 meeting with Lazar could be the biggest 501 00:18:10,850 --> 00:18:07,740 story in history 502 00:18:12,890 --> 00:18:10,860 so I mean on this podcast on this show 503 00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:12,900 you know let's say limited series 12 504 00:18:15,890 --> 00:18:14,280 months if we go all the way through 505 00:18:18,169 --> 00:18:15,900 we're going to be talking about a lot of 506 00:18:19,730 --> 00:18:18,179 the stories that you have brought to 507 00:18:21,289 --> 00:18:19,740 public attention you know we're not we 508 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:21,299 don't have to go into all them the 509 00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:22,500 depths of them right now but I just want 510 00:18:27,470 --> 00:18:25,020 to highlight as a journalist I mean you 511 00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:27,480 also the only journalist that went over 512 00:18:32,210 --> 00:18:29,280 to Russia during glasnose and 513 00:18:35,150 --> 00:18:32,220 perestroika saw that opportunity and got 514 00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,160 original files they're classified files 515 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,720 that you stripped of the classification 516 00:18:41,090 --> 00:18:38,160 and brought with you back to the us 517 00:18:42,650 --> 00:18:41,100 talking about Russia's UFO program so 518 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:42,660 that's one of the things we'll go into 519 00:18:47,690 --> 00:18:45,720 on this but you also had your hands in 520 00:18:50,510 --> 00:18:47,700 at Skinwalker Ranch which is this now 521 00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:50,520 real famous place a paranormal hot spot 522 00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:52,799 a place where there's UFO sightings and 523 00:18:56,930 --> 00:18:55,440 more so those are some of the things in 524 00:18:59,150 --> 00:18:56,940 your career you've written a couple 525 00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,160 books on the on the skinwalker reading 526 00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,960 two books yeah hunt for the skinwalker 527 00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,120 and skinwalkers of the Pentagon 528 00:19:08,210 --> 00:19:05,760 um you know written newspaper columns 529 00:19:10,970 --> 00:19:08,220 and produced uh programs and specials 530 00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:10,980 that were independent of klas as well 531 00:19:15,470 --> 00:19:12,900 and work with you of course but you know 532 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:15,480 along the way as with any good news 533 00:19:21,049 --> 00:19:17,580 story the most important thing you can 534 00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:21,059 do is established a trust with sources 535 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:23,880 and um and it's not a trick it's that 536 00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,799 the trick in being trustworthy is to 537 00:19:30,529 --> 00:19:28,080 actually be trustworthy so among the 538 00:19:33,950 --> 00:19:30,539 first people that I engaged when I first 539 00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,960 started down this road became people who 540 00:19:37,730 --> 00:19:36,000 are Titans in this field and who are 541 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:37,740 influencing events that are unfolding 542 00:19:42,409 --> 00:19:40,020 right now one was Senator Harry Reid 543 00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:42,419 Reed had just been elected to the U.S 544 00:19:47,570 --> 00:19:44,960 Senate the first of five terms in 1988. 545 00:19:50,029 --> 00:19:47,580 1989 as I'm working on this Lazar Area 546 00:19:52,490 --> 00:19:50,039 51 stuff he had worked with the military 547 00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,500 it helped secure DOD budgets and things 548 00:19:55,130 --> 00:19:54,000 of that sort I thought you know what 549 00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,140 who's going to want to know this is 550 00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:57,600 Harry Reid so as I'm digging into it and 551 00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:59,280 getting more information he's the first 552 00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,720 person I told 553 00:20:05,630 --> 00:20:03,600 outside of our Newsroom and it was in a 554 00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:05,640 limousine heading to McCarran airport he 555 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:07,020 was flying back to Washington we had 556 00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:09,660 about a 25 30 minute conversation and 557 00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:11,100 instead of kicking me out saying I'm 558 00:20:15,049 --> 00:20:12,720 crazy he said that's really interesting 559 00:20:16,970 --> 00:20:15,059 keep me in the loop about this and I'll 560 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,980 help you and he did over the next 30 561 00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,200 years we had a secret 562 00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:21,360 conversation behind the scenes I wasn't 563 00:20:25,010 --> 00:20:22,980 going to report it I didn't want to get 564 00:20:27,230 --> 00:20:25,020 get him in any kind of political hot 565 00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:27,240 water and make him look crazy but we he 566 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:29,460 helped me and I helped him I helped 567 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:32,400 introduce him to a lot of people and uh 568 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,900 I would send him information and 569 00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:36,000 documents and and he took a long time 570 00:20:41,330 --> 00:20:38,760 interest in it and and uh he ended up 571 00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:41,340 going to Area 51 a number of times among 572 00:20:44,930 --> 00:20:42,600 the other people I met at the same time 573 00:20:46,490 --> 00:20:44,940 was Robert Bigelow Bigelow is a name 574 00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,500 that I did not know at the time but he 575 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:49,440 called me up the day the series on the 576 00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:51,960 air ended I get a call hold for Robert 577 00:20:57,289 --> 00:20:54,179 Bigelow didn't know his name he's a 578 00:20:59,210 --> 00:20:57,299 billionaire he had the Budget Suites 579 00:21:00,890 --> 00:20:59,220 um he he had been a highly successful 580 00:21:02,270 --> 00:21:00,900 real estate developer 581 00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:02,280 and he gets on the phone and says hey 582 00:21:06,350 --> 00:21:04,380 boy that that series is pretty good can 583 00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:06,360 I help you I said well you know I 584 00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:07,679 appreciate your comment what do you mean 585 00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:09,299 you helped me well financially support 586 00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:10,500 you're going to do some additional 587 00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:12,600 research I said well no I work for 588 00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:14,220 channel eight I can't do that but you 589 00:21:18,409 --> 00:21:15,900 know keep you in mind and they wanted to 590 00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,419 meet Lazar I said well I'll ask Lazar 591 00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:21,120 but he was pretty he was pretty uh 592 00:21:25,970 --> 00:21:23,460 reticent to meet the public or engage 593 00:21:27,169 --> 00:21:25,980 with the public so it still is yeah he's 594 00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:27,179 gonna be killed he thought he was going 595 00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:29,039 to be killed at the time so I said you 596 00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:30,900 know I'll ask Lazar and I'll get back to 597 00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:33,960 you I and then within two weeks uh 598 00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:36,600 Robert Bigelow not one to be denied had 599 00:21:41,690 --> 00:21:38,700 hired private investigators track down 600 00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:41,700 Lazar met him uh and and they were gonna 601 00:21:45,730 --> 00:21:43,799 meet for drinks and invited me to join 602 00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:45,740 them and then that started a little 603 00:21:53,210 --> 00:21:50,100 Social Circle of me and Bob and Gene 604 00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:53,220 huff and Robert Bigelow who would meet 605 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:55,260 and talk about UFOs and we took a trip 606 00:21:59,810 --> 00:21:57,960 up to Rachel and Area 51 and had some 607 00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:59,820 hijinks out there and I got to know 608 00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:01,380 Bigelow really well 609 00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,520 that relationship also became key to not 610 00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:08,400 only my career but also to the topic in 611 00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:09,900 general and we'll get into how that 612 00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,159 works yeah we're going to definitely get 613 00:22:15,529 --> 00:22:13,919 into that I mean I my theory is that a 614 00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:15,539 lot of these people that made a lot of 615 00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:18,179 Headway in this field for example uh 616 00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:20,700 Senator Harry Reid he's the one who 617 00:22:25,370 --> 00:22:22,919 created the funding for the largest 618 00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:25,380 acknowledged UFO program by our 619 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:27,720 government ever but from my 620 00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:29,400 understanding is he wasn't into this 621 00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:31,320 thing until you came at him about Bob's 622 00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:33,000 so there's we'll talk about that more 623 00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:35,460 later but for people that don't or just 624 00:22:39,169 --> 00:22:37,080 kind of hearing about who you are that 625 00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:39,179 is your career in a nutshell is that you 626 00:22:43,250 --> 00:22:41,220 know you're a hard-edged investigative 627 00:22:45,169 --> 00:22:43,260 reporter you broke stories at every kind 628 00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,179 of thing people can imagine but the UFO 629 00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:47,039 thing has really stuck with you it's 630 00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:49,140 branded you along the way and it changed 631 00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:51,960 so in those days you know the dominant 632 00:22:56,570 --> 00:22:55,080 Paradigm was UFOs are ET craft coming 633 00:22:58,610 --> 00:22:56,580 here from other planets they're visiting 634 00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:58,620 Earth from some other planet that's what 635 00:23:03,169 --> 00:23:00,900 that's the operating presumption that I 636 00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,179 had and what most of the UFO luminaries 637 00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:05,280 at the time thought there was a guy 638 00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:07,080 named Dr Jacques valet that I got to 639 00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,860 meet later in that second UFO project 640 00:23:16,029 --> 00:23:13,440 who had maybe the most important writer 641 00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,039 on this topic a key thinker has written 642 00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:18,240 essential books about the subject matter 643 00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,520 who is the among the first to suggest 644 00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:22,559 UFOs may not be extraterrestrial it 645 00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:24,539 might be something far more exotic in 646 00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:26,580 fact our first meeting he said I'm going 647 00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:28,260 to be really disappointed if it turns 648 00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:30,059 out the answer to this UFO mystery is 649 00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:32,460 that these are craft from other planets 650 00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:34,980 because he said if as the witnesses have 651 00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:37,919 indicated and the evidence shows these 652 00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:40,140 craft can manipulate space-time create 653 00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:42,120 their own gravity as Lazar has said 654 00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:43,799 right they can be from anywhere they can 655 00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,039 be from ET interdimensional outer space 656 00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:50,159 time travelers all the above so he got 657 00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:51,780 me thinking that maybe there's a lot 658 00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:54,179 more to it than just aliens visiting the 659 00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,039 planet and then 660 00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:58,799 Bigelow drives that point home he 661 00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,840 creates an organization called nids the 662 00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:02,640 National Institute for Discovery Science 663 00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:05,700 he has spent more money on UFO research 664 00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:07,559 than any person in the history of the 665 00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:09,780 world and he offered a million bucks up 666 00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:12,659 to the three major UFO organizations if 667 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,460 they could just get along you need money 668 00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:16,080 you're always complaining about not 669 00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,580 enough money to do research or 670 00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:19,320 investigations here's a million bucks 671 00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:21,539 all you got to do is get along of course 672 00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:23,700 they couldn't and so he pulled it back 673 00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:25,799 off the table created his own UFO 674 00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,900 organization based in Las Vegas called 675 00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:30,000 nids I'm The Only journalist that's 676 00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:32,520 allowed to know about it he had me speak 677 00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:34,679 at the first beating of this nid science 678 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:36,780 Advisory Board this amazing panel of 679 00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:38,820 people Jacques ballet is there along 680 00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:41,820 with Dr Hal putoff a CIA scientist who 681 00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,280 helped develop remote viewing Dr Edgar 682 00:24:49,690 --> 00:24:46,640 Mitchell uh uh 683 00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:49,700 walk on the moon and a PhD 684 00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:52,559 astrophysicist and a great guy yeah uh 685 00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:54,659 John Alexander came later Dr Colin 686 00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:57,240 Kelleher came later just a table full of 687 00:25:01,789 --> 00:24:58,919 people there was another U.S senator who 688 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,799 was at the table Dr Harrison Schmidt who 689 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,080 was on this board who had been the last 690 00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:06,480 person to walk on the move and I 691 00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:08,100 delivered a presentation to them at 692 00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:10,260 their first meeting about the Russian 693 00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:12,659 piles that you mentioned and uh I was 694 00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,280 just blown away by it I get out of that 695 00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:15,840 meeting about a week later I called 696 00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:18,059 Senator Reid I said hey there's this new 697 00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:20,520 organization on this topic that you and 698 00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:23,400 I talk about under the table now and 699 00:25:26,210 --> 00:25:24,659 then and I think you'd really be 700 00:25:27,649 --> 00:25:26,220 interested he says do you think I could 701 00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:27,659 get invited well that was my point of 702 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,940 calling him and I said yeah I'll set an 703 00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:32,400 emotion and he did he got a meeting uh 704 00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,919 it came to a needs meeting later in that 705 00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:36,600 year and then from there on he was 706 00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,880 hooked uh you know he saw the caliber of 707 00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,620 people who are around that table and he 708 00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:42,480 was hooked yeah and and to fast forward 709 00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,520 from that so we'll go into that in other 710 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,679 episodes I'm sure but you know nids 711 00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,200 became other things that ended up being 712 00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,080 this huge Dia government UFO program so 713 00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:54,000 on this podcast it's fair to say we're 714 00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:55,799 going to talk a lot about UFOs I'm just 715 00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:57,480 saying about Skinwalker so that same 716 00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,419 year nid's Bigelow buys Skinwalker Ranch 717 00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:03,120 and the idea is that Jacques valet had 718 00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:05,220 planted with me that it may not be 719 00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,700 extraterrestrial that that was that bore 720 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:10,559 fruit there at the ranch because they 721 00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,320 the smorgasbord of strange stuff that 722 00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:14,640 was going on there certainly doesn't 723 00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:16,740 sound like what we think we know about 724 00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:18,659 ETS this was something else and we'll 725 00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:20,760 get into that yeah I mean the more that 726 00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,159 you look into this topic even for myself 727 00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:25,679 the more unsure you are of the 728 00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,179 conclusions that you that you really 729 00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:28,799 started with I mean we all start with 730 00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:30,840 some idea of what we think it is and the 731 00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:34,260 UFO history it really I mean that's for 732 00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:35,940 me it was it was this moment this one 733 00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:38,460 moment that made me realize you know I 734 00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:40,260 can't be a passive consumer of this I 735 00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:42,059 have to be an active participant you 736 00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:43,740 know because it's so fascinating what 737 00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:45,000 you and I have talked about a lot of 738 00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:46,860 times over the last decade or so you 739 00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,140 know they they as I started out the the 740 00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,659 big questions who are they where are 741 00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,820 they from why are they here what's their 742 00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,919 interest in us and we don't have answers 743 00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:57,600 to any of that we know a lot more stuff 744 00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:59,400 but we really don't know and the more I 745 00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:00,539 learn 746 00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,299 the fuzzier those answers get because 747 00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,059 you know some of this activity it 748 00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,580 doesn't fit into a category and you your 749 00:27:12,289 --> 00:27:10,799 own Journey sort of started at the same 750 00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,299 place we have the same gateway drug 751 00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,159 that's right that's right my gateway 752 00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:17,279 drug into UFOs was John Lear I mean well 753 00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,020 you know really I gotta say my my 754 00:27:24,409 --> 00:27:21,840 gateway drug and UFOs was you and Bob 755 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:24,419 Lazar first coming forward to the public 756 00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,240 in the news reports and Bob saying what 757 00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:29,279 he did about the propulsion systems of 758 00:27:34,909 --> 00:27:31,320 this UFO craft that he said he worked on 759 00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,919 so we do have this this Central Point it 760 00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:36,419 was getting to you though that I think 761 00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:38,039 is hilarious people should see hear 762 00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,740 about that but what happened to me was I 763 00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:42,720 heard you and Bob on the radio and I 764 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:45,419 heard Bob describing the way that the 765 00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:47,700 craft would move through space and time 766 00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,400 and he described it as falling into 767 00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:52,080 place like he would always say if you 768 00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:54,299 put a bowling ball on the bed and you 769 00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:56,400 stick your fist down and push down on 770 00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,779 the bed the bowling ball falls into 771 00:28:01,970 --> 00:27:59,700 place he's like that's the way the craft 772 00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:01,980 moved it's it's not reactionary 773 00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:04,679 propulsion it's reaction less propulsion 774 00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:06,419 it's not pushing something out the back 775 00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,460 to move forward from Rockets to roller 776 00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:10,740 skates that's the way things move as far 777 00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:13,799 as we know but hearing him as a 13 year 778 00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:15,480 old kid and you're interviewing him 779 00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:18,179 hearing him talk about gravitational 780 00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:20,460 propulsion and falling into space it 781 00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:22,500 dawned on me even at that young age when 782 00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,260 I was interested in in other things this 783 00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:27,900 interests me because I could understand 784 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,900 that if Bob Lazar was telling the truth 785 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:33,840 and if he was right about the propulsion 786 00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:37,559 right then distance no longer matters it 787 00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:39,240 was this idea the universe is vast 788 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,100 there's probably intelligent life 789 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:43,440 teeming through the universe but they 790 00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:46,260 ain't coming here there's no way and and 791 00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:48,059 the moment I heard Bob describe that I 792 00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:51,000 realized distance would be irrelevant if 793 00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:52,980 the physics of what he's saying is 794 00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:55,500 correct it wouldn't matter how far 795 00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,299 another civilization was if they could 796 00:29:01,970 --> 00:28:59,340 build these machines they could get here 797 00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:01,980 very easily one thing a buddy of mine 798 00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:04,500 smart buddy of mine once said to me 799 00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,360 um which is that he was Jeremy you're 800 00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:07,919 thinking about it wrong he goes it's 801 00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,200 probably really easy to get here and you 802 00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,299 know because I was like why so much why 803 00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:15,360 so much activity of UFOs how it's not 804 00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:18,960 just one person it's over time so much 805 00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:22,200 contact sightings radar 806 00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,179 it's got to be [\h__\h] easy to get here 807 00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:26,159 so so that was that was a really 808 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:27,899 interesting way to look at it so that 809 00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:30,779 was my Inception point I was 13 though I 810 00:29:34,909 --> 00:29:33,179 had a whole life and whole career that I 811 00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:34,919 was starting in in Marshall Athletics 812 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,520 and art and art I ended up doing art uh 813 00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:40,080 you know because I got real ill and 814 00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:42,179 couldn't compete or train or anything 815 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,299 like that so yes I did art as well and 816 00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:47,760 then you know really I got 817 00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:50,460 this idea I got actually I got a camera 818 00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,919 for my wedding and I it was really funny 819 00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,500 I pointed it the second I'd point it at 820 00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:56,880 somebody they'd start spilling beans to 821 00:29:59,389 --> 00:29:58,500 me you know it's like he would just talk 822 00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,399 and tell me stuff they probably 823 00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:01,860 shouldn't on camera and I was like this 824 00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:04,020 thing is magical you know this thing if 825 00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:05,940 I just point it at somebody it's magical 826 00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,620 and I'm like who can I point it at I 827 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:10,320 want to learn more about UFOs so you 828 00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:11,820 were completely inaccessible of course 829 00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:13,260 Bob was completely completely 830 00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:14,820 inaccessible and I thought well who 831 00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:16,679 knows anything about this and I thought 832 00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:19,320 that would be John Lear so you know 833 00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:20,820 finally I got through to John which was 834 00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:22,020 also hard at the time because he was a 835 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,860 little sick so everybody was like 836 00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,720 ghosting me in the UFO world and there 837 00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:26,399 was no like Twitter or anything that I 838 00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:27,779 could jump in and try to ask people 839 00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,679 questions so finally Lear said okay you 840 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:33,779 know you come talk to me and I think he 841 00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:35,640 just wanted me to smuggle him cigars and 842 00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:37,080 Fritos or something you know because he 843 00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:38,700 didn't give me the time of day we sit 844 00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,919 there and for like two days he's staring 845 00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:42,480 at me through the barrel of a cigar not 846 00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:44,220 answering a single question and I'm 847 00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:45,980 filming him just sitting at his computer 848 00:30:49,549 --> 00:30:48,360 he was kind of testing me I know because 849 00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:49,559 I ended up filming with him for years 850 00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,460 after 851 00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:52,559 but the first question I ever asked 852 00:30:57,649 --> 00:30:55,740 about UFOs was okay what is your best 853 00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:57,659 piece of evidence that UFOs are real 854 00:31:02,330 --> 00:30:59,580 show it to me get you show it to put in 855 00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:02,340 my hands and you know my gosh how naive 856 00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:05,100 I was that it's that easy but so that's 857 00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,500 where I started filming but really with 858 00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:09,419 journalism it was me trying to get to 859 00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,120 you and I think you probably know this 860 00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:13,440 story on your side but you might not 861 00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,899 know it on my side but uh man I tried to 862 00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:17,820 you know I tried to contact you for it 863 00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:20,940 was I think it was two years it was some 864 00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,200 ridiculous time if you look through your 865 00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:24,240 emails you might find every six months I 866 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:25,559 was respectfully trying to reach out to 867 00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:27,020 you called the station a couple times 868 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:29,159 finally somebody from your station 869 00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:32,100 called me back and I I was doing arts 870 00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,779 and I had a pain all over my hands I'm 871 00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:35,220 actually resining something at the time 872 00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,020 and I just get the phone in my ear and 873 00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:38,880 goes hold for George Knapp that's all 874 00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,100 they said and I'm like hold on you know 875 00:31:45,289 --> 00:31:43,440 hold on and I'm like uh and he goes can 876 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,299 I give you a piece of advice I said sure 877 00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:47,760 he goes know what you want to say say it 878 00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,860 clearly he doesn't have much time hold 879 00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:51,840 for George now up and I'm like oh [\h__\h] 880 00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:54,600 so the second you get on the phone I 881 00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:56,039 just start going hi my name is Jeremy 882 00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:57,299 Corbell I'm really into this but I'm not 883 00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:58,500 a crazy person I really want to know the 884 00:32:00,350 --> 00:31:59,460 truth I've got a few things that I've 885 00:32:01,610 --> 00:32:00,360 been doing I've been filming with John 886 00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:01,620 Lear for about nine months and I really 887 00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,520 want to know if you can give me any 888 00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:03,840 information I'm really interested in 889 00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:04,919 this and I want to know the truth and I 890 00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:06,659 don't want any BS and you to seem like 891 00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:09,059 the guy just talked as fast as I could 892 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,620 and then it was like I think you were 893 00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:12,000 eating a sandwich because it was like 894 00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:14,580 the longest pause I thought you had hung 895 00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,120 up on me and then you're like okay I'll 896 00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:20,700 do my part I remember you said that and 897 00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:22,140 then bam probably the longest 898 00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:23,580 conversation we had on the phone it was 899 00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:27,360 one way you just told me [\h__\h] and I was 900 00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,880 like man that's so cool that you gave me 901 00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,440 that time that you really did your part 902 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:34,140 so that just made my disease worse I was 903 00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,700 like oh man I'm coming to stay with you 904 00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,620 and you're like okay so that was how we 905 00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:39,960 from my perspective you know finally 906 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,960 connected on on the UFO topic I think 907 00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:44,640 you saw I was serious about it I was 908 00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,740 starting to film you know some I didn't 909 00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:48,000 even know I'd be a filmmaker but I 910 00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,740 started to film because it was my 911 00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:52,080 passport into people's lives was just 912 00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:53,940 holding this camera at them nothing's 913 00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,299 changed you know well Ian Russell is the 914 00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:58,799 guy you talked to he's the producer of 915 00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:01,080 the i-team he was one of many Shields 916 00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:03,000 that I had at the station and after a 917 00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:05,340 while you know I was I was all gung-ho 918 00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:06,899 in the beginning on the UFO topic I 919 00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:08,340 wanted to hear from everybody but it 920 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,020 becomes oppressive after a while you 921 00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,760 understand yes they do and to this day I 922 00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:13,679 get I stopped taking phone calls I 923 00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:15,720 stopped answering the phone because he'd 924 00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,640 get on the phone and people would would 925 00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:19,860 have a two-hour story about their UFO 926 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,299 experience and yeah you couldn't get 927 00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:23,760 anything done so I reluctantly had to 928 00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:25,380 cut that off and I have all kinds of 929 00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:26,940 people at the station who would run 930 00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,220 interference for me yeah which I I 931 00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:31,200 regret but there's no other way to get 932 00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:32,760 anything else yeah you can't survive I 933 00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:34,919 mean so so since then just so for people 934 00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,500 that don't know uh my work and what I've 935 00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:39,600 done so what I what I've been attempting 936 00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:41,640 to do is is gather as much information 937 00:33:45,409 --> 00:33:44,039 and get it out in a credible way and and 938 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,419 films have been a cool way to do that 939 00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:47,580 documentaries so my first documentary 940 00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:49,980 was called patient 17. my father got him 941 00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:52,440 Dr Roger Lear he believed he was 942 00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,299 um taking out what he called alien 943 00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:55,679 implants for people it was really really 944 00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:57,000 far out there I didn't want to do the 945 00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,960 film but the guy patient 17 I found him 946 00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:02,640 very credible so that was one of the 947 00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,500 reasons I made that first movie and then 948 00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:06,960 obviously hunt for the skinwalker which 949 00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,300 is based upon your initial research and 950 00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:11,040 book and filming out there it was the 951 00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:12,839 first time anybody ever saw the ranch so 952 00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,520 that was a movie that came out on Hulu 953 00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,280 so patient 17 came out on Netflix huge 954 00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,960 success for an unknown filmmaker who 955 00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:20,220 didn't even go to film school and 956 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,659 doesn't really know how to use aperture 957 00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:23,760 whatever then I made Hunt for the 958 00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:26,099 skinwalker and then finally I made the 959 00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:28,260 movie Bob Lazar Area 51 and flying 960 00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:30,060 saucers which has also came out on 961 00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,659 Netflix and so as an unknown filmmaker 962 00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:36,240 I've been very lucky to get you know 963 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:37,440 people to interview with me but then 964 00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,300 just to get these films out and seen 965 00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:41,040 like you know I feel like inspector 966 00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:43,740 Crusoe of filmmaker described for uh our 967 00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:46,859 listeners how it was getting Bob to 968 00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:49,080 cooperate and to eventually go on camera 969 00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:53,099 yeah man people don't get this I mean 970 00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:57,359 so it it it's like capturing the yeti or 971 00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:59,099 the soft Squad you have to be really 972 00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:00,780 lucky and patient and it might not even 973 00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:02,520 exist you know 974 00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:05,339 um obviously knowing John Lear and then 975 00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:07,320 getting to know you it's like there was 976 00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:09,420 this idea that at some point I could 977 00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,859 just talk with Bob I didn't even want to 978 00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:12,000 necessarily film I just want to talk 979 00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:14,700 with him but there was no it was radio 980 00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,220 silence notoriously he doesn't want he 981 00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,440 doesn't feel a need to justify to the 982 00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:22,079 public what he's told them he he told 983 00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,820 the public what he did about UFOs and 984 00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:25,440 back engineering craft because he was 985 00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:26,579 scared for his life and you know that 986 00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:28,260 better than anybody to be true because 987 00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:32,220 you were there during it but getting Bob 988 00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:34,500 to go on camera took many many years I 989 00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:36,839 also didn't want to be pushy and you 990 00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:38,579 know I wasn't a real filmmaker really 991 00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,680 even then even with anybody I was 992 00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,780 filming so so the thing with Bob 993 00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:45,359 I lucked out one day he came over to 994 00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:46,859 John lear's house the first time I ever 995 00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:49,079 got on my camera and respectfully I put 996 00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,460 all the cameras away 997 00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:52,320 and it's really nice to meet you hey man 998 00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:53,940 I really wanted to know are you telling 999 00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:55,260 the truth you know that's basically are 1000 00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:57,540 you [\h__\h] lying you know and then it 1001 00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,800 could just see this kind of look in his 1002 00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,200 eye I said Bob look I'm I was 13 years 1003 00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:03,300 old when it came out three more minutes 1004 00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:05,940 of you talking the world hasn't had like 1005 00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:08,579 extra footage of you you did some news 1006 00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:09,960 reports but he would barely give his 1007 00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:11,160 time I mean just give me three minutes 1008 00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:11,940 man 1009 00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:14,460 he said okay and so I filmed this like 1010 00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:15,720 it would actually ended up being more in 1011 00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:17,460 three minutes it was the first time that 1012 00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:19,380 he's really like defended his position I 1013 00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,820 was like damn that was cool even Lear 1014 00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:22,740 said I never heard him talk like that 1015 00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:25,140 but that's not a movie and that's not a 1016 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,000 real interview and I'm a nobody with 1017 00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:29,280 this stuff so then you and I were 1018 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,760 talking all this time over time one day 1019 00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:34,680 Bob just calls me up he goes okay come 1020 00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,500 over and he's in Michigan you can come 1021 00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:39,720 over he's like yeah let's do it come on 1022 00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:41,700 over and I'm thinking I still can't 1023 00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:44,040 believe it so I go with all of my bags 1024 00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:46,140 of cameras but I don't like let him see 1025 00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,880 them I'm just like hey man so why am I 1026 00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:48,960 here he goes why do you think you're 1027 00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:51,000 here and I'm like are you gonna let me 1028 00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:53,099 tell your story he goes under one 1029 00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,320 condition I said what's that and he's 1030 00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:57,599 like don't [\h__\h] lie you know just 1031 00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,180 don't don't corrupt just word for word 1032 00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,160 what I say is fine 1033 00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,320 and I thought wow okay here's my only 1034 00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:05,760 one condition 1035 00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:09,119 you give me access to everybody and 1036 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:11,220 anybody if I see a box and it's closed 1037 00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:12,540 and I want it open you're gonna let me 1038 00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:14,280 open it and he goes yeah fine 1039 00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:16,140 he didn't care let me look through all 1040 00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:17,640 your video tapes yeah cool audio tapes 1041 00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,760 no problem so that's that's once it once 1042 00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:22,740 he opened up then it was like okay the 1043 00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:24,300 world needs to hear this story again 1044 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,579 they can make their own decision whether 1045 00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,560 it's true or not true that's not was not 1046 00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,480 the point of my documentary it was not a 1047 00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:32,160 breakdown of every argument for and 1048 00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,140 against Bob Lazar the idea of the 1049 00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:36,900 documentary was to show people who Bob 1050 00:37:41,569 --> 00:37:39,000 was so they could not dehumanize and 1051 00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:41,579 dismiss him based upon these outrageous 1052 00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:42,839 things they've said just get to know 1053 00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,579 he's a guy and then you start thinking 1054 00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:46,020 about his story maybe another 1055 00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,820 documentary we do we go into the 1056 00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,160 nitty-gritty of pros and cons for is Bob 1057 00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:52,380 telling us the truth the point that Bob 1058 00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,119 is telling us the truth I believe Bob's 1059 00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:55,440 telling us the truth and I actually have 1060 00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,280 more information than the general 1061 00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:57,839 Republican so do you 1062 00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,700 so yeah if I didn't think he was being 1063 00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:01,800 truthful I wouldn't still be on it and 1064 00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,200 I'd say so you know I would report it we 1065 00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:06,000 went down that road when I was first 1066 00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:07,740 looking into his background and we ran 1067 00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:09,480 into some speed bumps I mean some pretty 1068 00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:11,640 big problems the schools he said he went 1069 00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,380 to uh claimed they had never heard of 1070 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,880 him I thought well this project could 1071 00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,320 end before it really gets going right 1072 00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:18,560 and then you know if 1073 00:38:24,109 --> 00:38:21,240 followed the lead a couple of different 1074 00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:24,119 places to Los Alamos his claim that he 1075 00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:25,619 had worked at Los Alamos if he had 1076 00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,200 worked there and classified projects in 1077 00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:30,839 a scientific or technical position then 1078 00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:32,339 it really didn't matter to me whether he 1079 00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:33,720 had gone to the schools he claimed or 1080 00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:35,400 not because it was plausible that he 1081 00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:36,839 could get hired to work out in the 1082 00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:39,660 Nevada desert and work on this and I 1083 00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:41,640 still believe that to be true there are 1084 00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:43,800 so many detractors so many people who 1085 00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,660 are deep into the UFO subject who 1086 00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:48,060 believe we have crash saucers and we're 1087 00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,800 doing reverse engineering and we might 1088 00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:51,720 even be doing it out at the places where 1089 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,119 he said we're doing it still find 1090 00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,400 reasons to not believe Bob he's a liar 1091 00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,800 he's a you know he's a profiteer he's 1092 00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:00,839 just doing this for attention he is the 1093 00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,060 most reluctant UFO Messiah I know and 1094 00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,040 getting him to go on camera that first 1095 00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,380 time was was a miracle getting him to go 1096 00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:09,720 on camera after that was like pulling 1097 00:39:13,069 --> 00:39:11,400 teeth right and you and I were talking 1098 00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,079 on the way on the drive over here today 1099 00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:15,599 is that on the day that we revealed his 1100 00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,579 identity to the world and told him that 1101 00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:19,920 he's Bob Lazar not this guy Dennis he 1102 00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:21,660 was in the station and I was we were 1103 00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,400 editing right up at the last minute and 1104 00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:25,619 I had that videotape to take it to the 1105 00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:27,180 control room to get it ready to go on 1106 00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:29,220 the air and he grabbed it from me and we 1107 00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:31,500 got in a little tussle he had decided he 1108 00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:33,000 changed his mind I don't want to do this 1109 00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,099 and he's been that way ever since you 1110 00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:37,440 know he's uh he knew he was going to 1111 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,660 take a lot of grief he's taken an 1112 00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,280 unimaginable amount of grief from 1113 00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:43,740 especially from the UFO world but he 1114 00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:46,619 stuck to a story so big picture this is 1115 00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:48,660 representative of that you know 1116 00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:49,740 obviously we're gonna have some great 1117 00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:51,540 guests throughout this podcast and show 1118 00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:53,579 it's gonna be cool people will speak for 1119 00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:57,000 themselves as well but big picture what 1120 00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:58,500 you're describing there is kind of a 1121 00:40:02,210 --> 00:40:00,119 syndrome of what we see about the UFO 1122 00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,220 Topic in general which which now there's 1123 00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:04,800 been a sea change and we're we are in 1124 00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:07,380 the mass media Congress and Senate is 1125 00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,420 creating whistleblower laws so that 1126 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:11,520 people can come testify but the big 1127 00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:13,020 picture is that 1128 00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,060 human beings we all have this innate 1129 00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:17,579 feat nobody has no opinion about UFOs 1130 00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:19,500 everybody has a strong opinion to begin 1131 00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:21,420 with they're either real or they're not 1132 00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,339 real and and I kind of feel that's 1133 00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,920 that's fair UFOs are real or they're not 1134 00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:27,599 real there's either craft of Unknown 1135 00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:29,700 Origin that are flying with impunity 1136 00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:31,740 within our restricted airspace globally 1137 00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:34,020 for decades or longer 1138 00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:37,020 or they're not it's it's that simple but 1139 00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,660 the point is human beings we all have a 1140 00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:42,480 very strong opinion and bias when it 1141 00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:45,000 comes to this now the more we learn we 1142 00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:46,980 can start saying okay I'm starting to to 1143 00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:49,500 feel that this is a real phenomenon I I 1144 00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,300 don't feel that every opinion is created 1145 00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:53,520 equal I think that if you've lived a 1146 00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:54,900 certain life and you've done a certain 1147 00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,300 amount of work to understand something 1148 00:41:00,050 --> 00:40:59,040 you know if you put calculus in front of 1149 00:41:01,130 --> 00:41:00,060 me I'm not going to be able to jam it 1150 00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:01,140 out like somebody who studied it their 1151 00:41:06,490 --> 00:41:03,780 whole life so the idea is we all bring 1152 00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,500 bias towards this thing especially UFOs 1153 00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:08,700 however I think there is something to be 1154 00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,700 learned right well you know going at 1155 00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,680 this as I said what hooked me as the 1156 00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:15,300 paper trail there is a trail of 1157 00:41:19,069 --> 00:41:17,160 documents that shows our military has 1158 00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,079 studied this that they have evidence in 1159 00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:21,839 their possession maybe even craft uh and 1160 00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:25,020 maybe even bodies from Crash sites uh so 1161 00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:27,420 I I really wanted to pursue that and and 1162 00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:29,220 in order to pursue it you know that 1163 00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:32,099 there are people inside government who 1164 00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:33,960 know more than anyone else right in this 1165 00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,820 the reason is simple this is that Dr 1166 00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,440 ballet had said you know if you're 1167 00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:39,599 looking at who has the evidence it's the 1168 00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:40,980 government it's the military because 1169 00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,780 they have the capability to collect it 1170 00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:44,400 they have the sensor systems and 1171 00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:46,200 satellites and you know and and 1172 00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:48,060 Personnel all over the world they have 1173 00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:50,040 the evidence if you want high resolution 1174 00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:51,960 photos if you crash retrievals this is 1175 00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:53,460 going to be operated by a government so 1176 00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,460 if this stuff indeed exists bodies it's 1177 00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,079 not going to be in someone's home so how 1178 00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:59,520 do you crack that part of the mystery 1179 00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,800 and that not as a journalist I approach 1180 00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,079 that by trying to establish trust with 1181 00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,240 people that I thought knew the 1182 00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:07,920 relationships that I developed through 1183 00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:09,780 Robert Bigelow through those nids people 1184 00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:12,599 who had been in government who had 1185 00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:15,180 worked for CIA and Dia and other 1186 00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:17,700 organizations who had had information 1187 00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:20,040 from the inside just didn't have a way 1188 00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:22,320 to get it out develop relationships with 1189 00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:24,599 them establish trust and then work from 1190 00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:26,460 there and the seeds that were planted 1191 00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:28,740 back then by establishing relationships 1192 00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:32,339 with those folks and with Harry Reid is 1193 00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:33,900 directly responsible for what's on 1194 00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:35,640 folding right now I mean right and 1195 00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,380 there's a lot unfolding right now and 1196 00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:39,119 this is kind of what I want to make sure 1197 00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:40,740 we go through some stuff 1198 00:42:42,530 --> 00:42:41,400 um 1199 00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:42,540 so 1200 00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:45,000 what is unfolding right now has been 1201 00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:48,420 really unfolding since December of 2017 1202 00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:50,760 with the New York Times article so to 1203 00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,440 bring everybody up to date if you've 1204 00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,200 never been into this topic but just on a 1205 00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:57,359 real basic level there was an article 1206 00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:58,980 that came out in the New York Times and 1207 00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:01,319 it was an admission of the the longest 1208 00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:05,520 most uh the biggest UFO study of all 1209 00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:07,140 time by our government that is 1210 00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:09,300 acknowledged and so this is a story that 1211 00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:11,460 you knew about a long time before but it 1212 00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,500 really broke the UFO story for the world 1213 00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:15,720 that changed the attitudes of people 1214 00:43:20,569 --> 00:43:17,940 right yeah the New York Times doing the 1215 00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:20,579 story is a signal to other mainstream 1216 00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,920 media that this is not disgraceful it's 1217 00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:25,200 not nonsense if the paper of record does 1218 00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:27,240 it it's acceptable for you to do it too 1219 00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,220 and it's exactly the effect that it had 1220 00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:31,440 because every news organization in the 1221 00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:33,960 world started reporting on UFOs after 1222 00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:35,880 the times through the story The the 1223 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,520 report in December of 2017 was explosive 1224 00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:40,920 you and I knew it was coming and had 1225 00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,839 done some things in advance it's and 1226 00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,880 even in your film yeah Skinwalker hey in 1227 00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:46,400 a couple of weeks something bigger right 1228 00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:48,599 but the New York Times story as 1229 00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,700 important as it was got it wrong they 1230 00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,440 had reported about the existence of a 1231 00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:54,480 program called atip and the guy who was 1232 00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:57,060 in charge of it was Lou Elizondo who had 1233 00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:00,420 worked as an Insider he had had uh and 1234 00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:02,760 came forward he was upset that secrecy 1235 00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:05,339 existed the time said that the atep had 1236 00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:07,619 a budget of 22 million dollars that had 1237 00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,900 been arranged by Senator Harry Reid that 1238 00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:11,520 the money went to Robert Bigelow and 1239 00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,980 they were studying UFOs well a lot of 1240 00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,079 that was right and it was a crucial and 1241 00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,760 important story but a lot of it was 1242 00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,680 wrong the actual program was called 1243 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,359 something else and in the months that 1244 00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:22,800 followed 1245 00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:24,599 um I started digging into that I was 1246 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:26,819 invited to go to a meeting in in 1247 00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,740 Washington DC with Senator Harry Reid 1248 00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:30,960 and an intelligence guy that I can say 1249 00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:32,280 the name of it now his name is Jim 1250 00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:34,200 lakatski he had worked for the defense 1251 00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:36,839 intelligence agency had spent 20 years 1252 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,960 as a rocket scientist analyzing enemy 1253 00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,760 systems and and doing reverse 1254 00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:44,819 engineering things that sort and he took 1255 00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:47,220 an interest in Skinwalker Ranch and the 1256 00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:48,780 possibility that there were National 1257 00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:50,819 Defense considerations based on our book 1258 00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,859 hunt for the skinwalker he read the book 1259 00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:54,839 he shared it with other intelligence 1260 00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:56,700 officials they thought it was 1261 00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:58,859 interesting as well so he act as 1262 00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:01,500 superiors for permission to go visit the 1263 00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,540 ranch he reached out to Robert Bigelow 1264 00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,760 went to the property had a dramatic 1265 00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:08,400 experience went back to Washington wrote 1266 00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,920 up a proposal for a program sold it to 1267 00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:12,900 Harry Reid who pitched it to fellow 1268 00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:15,480 Senate Senators they secured 22 million 1269 00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:17,640 dollars the program is called ASAP 1270 00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:19,619 Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems 1271 00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:21,960 application program it does not mention 1272 00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,540 UFOs in any of the documents it was put 1273 00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:27,359 out as a contract Robert Bigelow created 1274 00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,579 an organization called Bass 1275 00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:31,740 apologies for all these acronyms by the 1276 00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:35,280 way alsap is the program under DIA bass 1277 00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:36,780 is the organization that got the 1278 00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:38,819 contract and they started a study it was 1279 00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:41,220 a secret study it was supposed to last 1280 00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:43,980 for five years Skinwalker Ranch was used 1281 00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:46,380 as a sort of a base of operations but it 1282 00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:48,660 wasn't the focus of the study and they 1283 00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:51,240 proceeded to hire 50 full-time 1284 00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,880 investigators biggest UFO program in the 1285 00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:55,560 history of our government that we know 1286 00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:58,500 of right and there are others that we 1287 00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:00,119 might know and there are others and and 1288 00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:02,700 hopefully that'll come out so I am sure 1289 00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,099 that on this show we're going to have 1290 00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:07,440 people come on we're also going to poke 1291 00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:09,300 the bear on the show I mean we're going 1292 00:46:13,849 --> 00:46:11,880 to be able to release stuff that we've 1293 00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:13,859 debated about how to release if we 1294 00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:16,619 obtain information photos videos how do 1295 00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:18,599 we release it so but I want to talk 1296 00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,700 about how that started for us and how we 1297 00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:23,040 work together on this so we really poked 1298 00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:25,260 the bear because what happened was you 1299 00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,940 know UFOs all of a sudden it's all over 1300 00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,280 the media we catchwin that there is 1301 00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:32,160 going to be be a an official UFO report 1302 00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:34,260 coming out and we're thinking huh what 1303 00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:35,339 are they going to put in there are they 1304 00:46:38,990 --> 00:46:36,660 going to whitewash this are they going 1305 00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:39,000 to play it down so you and I have been 1306 00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:42,060 sitting on a certain imagery for for 1307 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:44,220 years in some cases and we thought all 1308 00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:45,440 right let's put it together 1309 00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:49,260 corroborative Visual Evidence of East 1310 00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:50,640 Coast and West Coast encounters 1311 00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:52,680 everybody had kind of heard about the 1312 00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:55,740 Tic Tac UFO Case by that point with 1313 00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:57,900 Commander David fraver and I was 1314 00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:59,160 absolutely the first person to be 1315 00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:00,599 interviewing him about all that for 1316 00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:02,520 years he's talked about that and I 1317 00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,380 didn't blow his cover but the New York 1318 00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:06,480 Times article did blow his cover I mean 1319 00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:08,760 at that point there was a whole thing 1320 00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:10,920 about him so 1321 00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:13,800 basically we decided and tell me if you 1322 00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:15,720 agree with how this works but we we 1323 00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:18,900 decided hey if we have any chance ever 1324 00:47:24,589 --> 00:47:21,720 to push the envelope it's going to be 1325 00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,599 now what can we responsibly put out to 1326 00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,880 poke the bear and try to get a response 1327 00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:28,380 an official response from our government 1328 00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:31,079 on cases we knew were legitimate the 1329 00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:33,900 2019 swarm Events off of the West Coast 1330 00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:37,079 of California involving 10 ships over 1331 00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,980 100 UFOs simultaneously over three days 1332 00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:43,440 and then on the East Coast you have 1333 00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:46,200 photographs from fa-18 Pilots shooting 1334 00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:47,819 out the window on their iPhone let me 1335 00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:50,220 let me back up for a second 2004 Tic Tac 1336 00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:52,200 may be the most important UFO case of 1337 00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:54,660 all time given its importance it was 1338 00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:56,099 Central to the New York Times story 1339 00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,380 which changed everything we reported it 1340 00:48:02,030 --> 00:48:00,540 before the New York Times we did uh and 1341 00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:02,040 and in part that was because of the 1342 00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:03,540 relationship you developed with Dave 1343 00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,220 fraber I had shared with you some 1344 00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:07,380 information that had come my way through 1345 00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,200 the OSAP program about this the first 1346 00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:12,480 study of the Tic Tac incident was done 1347 00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:15,420 by OSAP for bass a document I released 1348 00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,300 in 2018 after you had broken the story 1349 00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:20,160 about Dave fraver we had broken it 1350 00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:22,500 together but because of how you handled 1351 00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:24,540 Dave fraver and you were trustworthy and 1352 00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:26,760 you kept your word and handled it in a 1353 00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:28,680 responsible way that word gets around 1354 00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,920 among his fellow Naval aviators which 1355 00:48:36,829 --> 00:48:34,200 paid off dividends in big ways and is 1356 00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,839 still doing that now absolutely and yeah 1357 00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:39,119 now it's just an onslaught you know of 1358 00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:41,220 information that comes our way which I 1359 00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,020 appreciate greatly but credible 1360 00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:45,960 information imagery videos photos that 1361 00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,359 kind of thing so so just to kind of get 1362 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:50,880 to the core of it there's this sea 1363 00:48:54,490 --> 00:48:53,400 change how how UFOs are covered we 1364 00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:54,500 decide we're going to put out 1365 00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:56,460 responsibly we're going to put out this 1366 00:49:01,970 --> 00:48:59,099 information which is inherently non it 1367 00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:01,980 is inherently not classified yet it was 1368 00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,380 contained in classified briefings but 1369 00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:06,540 what we received was the non-classified 1370 00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:10,800 aspects of it so uh four videos radar 1371 00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,560 thermal ir and deck footage normal 1372 00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:16,319 camera footage all supporting one event 1373 00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:19,560 series that was happening in 2019 two 1374 00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:21,540 slides official government slides one 1375 00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:24,660 talking about uh trans medium craft the 1376 00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,819 other talking about pyramids triangular 1377 00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:29,520 and shape so we're reporting the news we 1378 00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:32,280 give all this information out hey we 1379 00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:34,560 this is what we see going on and then 1380 00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:36,780 also with that is your images you 1381 00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,760 obtained from the from the fighter 1382 00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:40,319 pilots off the West Coast so we're 1383 00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,119 trying to show East-West Coast this is 1384 00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,160 happening and you told people at that 1385 00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:46,800 time this is happening on a daily basis 1386 00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,359 I don't think anybody believed it but 1387 00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:50,400 yeah after the New York Times story 1388 00:49:54,970 --> 00:49:53,220 December 2017 there's an explosion of 1389 00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:54,980 interest in UFOs we start getting 1390 00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:57,000 invitations to speak at these 1391 00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:58,560 conferences and I'm gathering 1392 00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:00,540 information from people's sources I had 1393 00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,280 developed over a number of years and at 1394 00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:04,079 those conferences Lachlan may be a 1395 00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:05,400 couple of other ones I make the 1396 00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:07,260 statement that look there's a giant 1397 00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:10,140 Naval Base on the east coast and Pilots 1398 00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,900 Naval Pilots are seeing UFOs every day 1399 00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:15,359 right and that was going on in 2014 2015 1400 00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:17,460 and and continued and I don't think 1401 00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:19,560 anybody believed me but we subsequently 1402 00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:22,260 learned that it was going on that the 1403 00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:24,300 you know the Navy was trying to get its 1404 00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:26,819 Pilots to take photos these aviators are 1405 00:50:29,809 --> 00:50:28,440 reluctant to do that they don't want it 1406 00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:29,819 to interfere with their career or get 1407 00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,619 them grounded that'd be the last thing 1408 00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,599 they want to have happen but in the 1409 00:50:37,609 --> 00:50:35,520 course of uh there's an area called 1410 00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:37,619 Oceana that's the base the big Naval Air 1411 00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,480 Station on the East Coast there's an 1412 00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:42,720 area called w72 over the ocean 1413 00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,000 pliers aviators would fly out of this 1414 00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:47,280 base and go out into the ocean every day 1415 00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:48,660 and every day they're seeing these 1416 00:50:52,430 --> 00:50:51,000 things they finally get some Pilots to 1417 00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:52,440 take pictures 1418 00:50:57,970 --> 00:50:56,640 and in February of 2019 one sortee took 1419 00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:57,980 pictures of three different objects 1420 00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:01,440 those photos came my way a couple months 1421 00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,480 later there was a sort of a UFO Summit 1422 00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,520 in Las Vegas Harry Reid was there Robert 1423 00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:07,680 Bigelow I won't say everybody else but I 1424 00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:09,660 was there and saw these photos and I sat 1425 00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,940 on because I I didn't have permission to 1426 00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:13,680 release them but after you start getting 1427 00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,660 a lot of images I thought well what the 1428 00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,400 heck let's do it let's see and we and we 1429 00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:18,720 did kind of talk with everybody and make 1430 00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,099 sure now I'm not going to reveal 1431 00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,440 specifically how or where I receive 1432 00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:24,720 stuff you know or anything like that but 1433 00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:27,900 you know obviously the information we 1434 00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,119 have is correct and it is credible and 1435 00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:32,160 it is military film footage and how 1436 00:51:36,829 --> 00:51:33,300 quickly the United States government 1437 00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:36,839 confirmed yes these are military videos 1438 00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:40,319 and yes they are of unknowns now we'll 1439 00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:42,420 talk about how that's changed or not 1440 00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,420 changed at another date but I think it's 1441 00:51:50,089 --> 00:51:47,520 important to understand that when I get 1442 00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,099 information that comes to me I know I 1443 00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:52,319 can go to you and you have your own sort 1444 00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:54,780 courses that can then help me vet 1445 00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:57,420 information so it works both ways and 1446 00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:00,960 it's really cool that we can do that to 1447 00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:03,180 find out if the content or information 1448 00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,700 we're being given is credible reliable 1449 00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:08,400 and if it's something we can legally put 1450 00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,960 out I should point out that you 1451 00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,000 mentioned about a classified briefing so 1452 00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:14,160 there was the atip program that Lou 1453 00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,380 Elizondo had it that was the report in 1454 00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:18,240 the New York Times there was the OSAP 1455 00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:20,460 program that I revealed the existence of 1456 00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:22,859 that was headed by Jim lakatsky at the 1457 00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:25,740 DIA they studied Tic Tac and many other 1458 00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:29,520 UFO cases and then after those programs 1459 00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:30,599 went away 1460 00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,700 uh something else came in there it 1461 00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:34,079 didn't even have a name for a long time 1462 00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:36,119 and then it became the UAP task force 1463 00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,940 and the guy who was in charge of it I'll 1464 00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:40,559 say his name now we can say it Jay 1465 00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,380 Stratton had worked with both atip and 1466 00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:45,359 OSAP and he was carrying on the 1467 00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:47,940 investigation on a very quiet basis 1468 00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:50,760 trying to put things together collecting 1469 00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:53,640 data and information and images from all 1470 00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:55,500 kinds of different agencies he put it 1471 00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:57,059 together in this massive briefing 1472 00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:58,859 document and it would make presentations 1473 00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:02,160 to the Joint Chiefs to the CIA to the 1474 00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,200 DIA and eventually to defense 1475 00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:06,720 contractors and because the the actual 1476 00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:09,059 document itself was classified but the 1477 00:53:12,530 --> 00:53:11,400 images that we've now made public were 1478 00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:12,540 not classified 1479 00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:14,520 it's hard to explain that hard for 1480 00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:15,720 people to understand that it could be 1481 00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:17,099 true but it was true well anything 1482 00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:20,220 without a specific demarcation as a 1483 00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:22,859 journalist we can accept if if it's not 1484 00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:25,680 has a clear you know markation of it 1485 00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,140 being classified or secret or sensitive 1486 00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:30,000 so you and I steer well away from that 1487 00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:32,099 but that's one way you can know that 1488 00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,260 you're okay yeah so I I release the 1489 00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,000 images from the East Coast they're 1490 00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:37,680 photos and they're they don't show the 1491 00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,180 Starship Enterprise or something but 1492 00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,800 they're really interesting and they were 1493 00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:42,720 to that to this day we're still 1494 00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:45,780 considered unidentified you uh collect 1495 00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,119 some images that were in that classified 1496 00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:51,599 briefing not classified videos uh let's 1497 00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:53,400 start with talk about the USS overall 1498 00:53:57,890 --> 00:53:56,099 that's an example so July 2019 what's 1499 00:53:59,569 --> 00:53:57,900 going on on the west coast yeah so I 1500 00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:59,579 mean this is a huge topic we're going to 1501 00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:01,800 dedicate at least a couple episodes to 1502 00:54:07,549 --> 00:54:03,960 this but the the big picture is that 1503 00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:07,559 there were swarm events of UFOs and in 1504 00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,200 2019 one that came to my attention and 1505 00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:12,000 that I've done more digging on this than 1506 00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,000 than anybody yeah even more than our own 1507 00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,280 intelligence agencies every witness that 1508 00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,960 I speak with said they haven't talked to 1509 00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,880 any of them or if they did way less than 1510 00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:22,559 they've talked to me so now at this 1511 00:54:26,809 --> 00:54:24,420 point there's so many people involved on 1512 00:54:29,150 --> 00:54:26,819 these 10 ships at least 10 ships that 1513 00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,160 are swarmed simultaneously on the east 1514 00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,960 coast in 2019 over the course of three 1515 00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:33,359 days and and we're going to get in way 1516 00:54:37,309 --> 00:54:35,400 into this you know what are the shapes 1517 00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,319 of these things how did they look what 1518 00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:39,359 did the Spy one radar people think what 1519 00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:41,099 are the people fighting the ships do 1520 00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:46,500 this is one Epic modern day UFO swarm 1521 00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:49,680 encounter on our own military that is 1522 00:54:54,109 --> 00:54:51,900 not something we can brush under the 1523 00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,119 table or explain easily as some process 1524 00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:56,640 started to try to do so so that's what 1525 00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:00,420 that case was is the 2019 uh West Coast 1526 00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:03,119 but again there are big cases throughout 1527 00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,700 history we have the Tic Tac UFO event we 1528 00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:07,200 have everything that's going on in the 1529 00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,940 east coast like uh Lieutenant Ryan 1530 00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:11,280 Graves talking about how they would see 1531 00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:15,300 these UFOs on a daily basis I want to go 1532 00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:16,920 back to the Omaha because I think you're 1533 00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:18,900 giving it short shrift so you know all 1534 00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:21,540 right 10 ships yes 10 warships are the 1535 00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:24,420 U.S Navy yes 100 miles off the West 1536 00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:26,520 Coast yeah out there in the oceans uh 1537 00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:29,819 west of San Diego are all swarmed over a 1538 00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:32,099 couple days by hundreds of objects some 1539 00:55:36,650 --> 00:55:33,780 people have tried to say the other just 1540 00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:36,660 drones you know just drones flying out 1541 00:55:40,490 --> 00:55:38,760 of nowhere you don't see them land you 1542 00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:40,500 don't see them where they took off where 1543 00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:42,180 they came from right they're over our 1544 00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,180 ships buzzing around performing some 1545 00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:48,000 pretty amazing Maneuvers and some of 1546 00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:50,339 those images are recorded in particular 1547 00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:52,800 by the crew of the USS Omaha right so I 1548 00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:56,040 was I was able to obtain numerous videos 1549 00:56:01,790 --> 00:55:58,859 and to be clear that we're not in those 1550 00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:01,800 uh classified briefings I think we kind 1551 00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,780 of Miss talk let's get real clear on 1552 00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:05,760 that right a lot of what I obtained and 1553 00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:09,720 released was not in the report by Jay 1554 00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:12,300 Stratton for the UAP task force in fact 1555 00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:15,480 our Pentagon didn't have this military 1556 00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,599 footage until you and I gave it to them 1557 00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:20,819 and so I think that's really important 1558 00:56:25,130 --> 00:56:22,920 that they saw there was a break in the 1559 00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,140 chain of command here you and I should 1560 00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:26,880 be obsolete in this why should military 1561 00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:28,980 people feel like they need to give us 1562 00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:31,140 information that didn't we give because 1563 00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:32,579 we're already putting it out we say hey 1564 00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:34,260 we're putting this out so that's why 1565 00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:36,660 they had to confirm and then address 1566 00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:39,480 this footage in Congress and Senate 1567 00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:42,059 during the hearings some of it is 1568 00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:43,619 because we provided it to him we 1569 00:56:47,569 --> 00:56:45,480 shouldn't have to do that so I hope 1570 00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,579 that's that's it clarifies to people but 1571 00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:50,160 to your point I'd say we said 100 miles 1572 00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:52,500 within a radius of 100 miles there were 1573 00:56:58,809 --> 00:56:54,780 10 ships so this was the circle or the 1574 00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:58,819 diameter of at least 100 UFOs 1575 00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:01,020 simultaneously swarming all of these 10 1576 00:57:06,049 --> 00:57:04,380 Navy warships now it's proximity to land 1577 00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:06,059 is different for each ship because 1578 00:57:10,849 --> 00:57:08,700 they're in at radius and there are some 1579 00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:10,859 big deals about that for example 1580 00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,380 I think we should give people today two 1581 00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:16,319 things they haven't had before so one is 1582 00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,140 is that when the USS Omaha was swarmed 1583 00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:21,200 so is the USS Russell the Paul Hamilton 1584 00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:24,960 a bunch of ships well I've been speaking 1585 00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:27,180 with individuals from each ship in 1586 00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:30,000 different levels of responsibility I 1587 00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:32,040 think we should play for people one of 1588 00:57:36,829 --> 00:57:34,380 the direct testimony of an eyewitness 1589 00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,839 that's the thing that's been missing is 1590 00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,640 is people that were actually there yeah 1591 00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:40,559 I should I should point out you've got a 1592 00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:42,420 lot of eyewitnesses that you've spoken 1593 00:57:47,569 --> 00:57:45,180 to recorded who've willingly come 1594 00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,579 forward and shared information and to 1595 00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:49,440 set up this this audio clip we're about 1596 00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:52,079 to hear is those who would like us to 1597 00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:54,180 dismiss this and say it's just drones 1598 00:57:57,770 --> 00:57:55,859 like you know you can go buy them at 1599 00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,780 Kmart or something or it's something you 1600 00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,720 can buy off the internet uh again you're 1601 00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:02,339 a hundred miles out to see for some of 1602 00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:04,440 these ships there are no other land 1603 00:58:08,329 --> 00:58:06,359 there's no other land out there from 1604 00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,339 which you can launch a drone there are 1605 00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:10,319 no other ships except for one that we'll 1606 00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:12,780 talk about yeah and where did these uh 1607 00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:15,900 drones come from it's important yeah so 1608 00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,940 so what's so there's going to be a lot 1609 00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:19,920 more from this witness and other 1610 00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,720 Witnesses from Paul Hamilton that have 1611 00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:24,000 allowed me to record with them and we're 1612 00:58:27,049 --> 00:58:25,619 going to have some people in person but 1613 00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:27,059 the main thing is all these people are 1614 00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:28,920 still active duty and and this is not 1615 00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,540 their goal is to become the UFO person 1616 00:58:34,130 --> 00:58:32,880 so I'm not gonna just broadcast their 1617 00:58:37,549 --> 00:58:34,140 names necessarily but I got the audio 1618 00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,559 recordings so with this particular clip 1619 00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:39,359 out of like a number that I'll that will 1620 00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:41,400 be released at some point they talk 1621 00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:44,880 about the these objects these UFOs at 1622 00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:46,920 one point he said to me these are UFOs 1623 00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:48,660 they're unidentified but we have to call 1624 00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,700 them something we call them uas you know 1625 00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:52,799 unmanned aerial systems because they 1626 00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:53,940 just weren't big enough to hold a human 1627 00:58:57,289 --> 00:58:55,020 being 1628 00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:57,299 we're coming from the west and so that's 1629 00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:59,160 kind of the point of this audio let's 1630 00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:00,900 listen to it and then we can talk about 1631 00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,480 it but it's just one of the details of 1632 00:59:07,789 --> 00:59:06,240 why we shouldn't just dismiss this first 1633 00:59:09,410 --> 00:59:07,799 of all it just says drones or second of 1634 00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,420 all just as like adversarial or even 1635 00:59:12,589 --> 00:59:10,799 commercial drones 1636 00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,599 where did they land where did they 1637 00:59:16,609 --> 00:59:14,160 launch so let's play the audio and then 1638 00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,619 we'll talk about it and for purposes 1639 00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:18,720 right here I'm just gonna play it on my 1640 00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:22,380 phone out loud for us 53 seconds 1641 00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:25,140 so from what direction was this swarm 1642 00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:26,940 coming it was actually coming a little 1643 00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,760 less it was coming from the West yeah 1644 00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:30,960 from the West 1645 00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:32,700 so over water 1646 00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:35,099 over water away from Land I mean like 1647 00:59:38,089 --> 00:59:36,660 the only thing you have over there is 1648 00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:38,099 like the wine is probably the closest 1649 00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,680 thing left to us and when they were 1650 00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,240 departing what direction were they 1651 00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:44,640 departing to they would depart in 1652 00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:45,660 different 1653 00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:48,359 on 1654 00:59:52,510 --> 00:59:50,339 so normally always from the west and 1655 00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:52,520 then departing in a different direction 1656 00:59:58,849 --> 00:59:54,839 yeah yeah 1657 01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,859 um not exclusively but uh yeah pretty 1658 01:00:03,770 --> 01:00:00,960 constantly it'd be a different bearing 1659 01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:03,780 which is weird right like so if you 1660 01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,460 deploy a drone to go check something out 1661 01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:07,200 he would come back so that was like 1662 01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:09,240 something significant enough for us to 1663 01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:11,579 like report that hey he's saying we're 1664 01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:12,839 going a different direction that they 1665 01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:13,680 came 1666 01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:15,780 so a very simple statement there's so 1667 01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:17,579 many parts we could pull from to have 1668 01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:19,380 this conversation but I thought that one 1669 01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:22,680 was cool because he's like they were 1670 01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:25,500 coming from the West so normally if you 1671 01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:27,240 had any kind of drone they would have to 1672 01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,460 return to its launch point but he's seen 1673 01:00:34,010 --> 01:00:31,680 him come in and durationally go in other 1674 01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:34,020 directions so who's were they where do 1675 01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:35,640 they come from so did somebody launch 1676 01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,799 their Walmart drone from Hawaii and it 1677 01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:39,599 traveled 1800 miles to buzz these 1678 01:00:43,609 --> 01:00:41,579 there's hundreds of them that buzzed 1679 01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:43,619 these 10 chips over three days you've 1680 01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:45,480 got number of witnesses who saw them 1681 01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:47,940 yeah and then and then back to the USS 1682 01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,000 Omaha the video that you released pretty 1683 01:00:56,930 --> 01:00:53,280 famous this is an orb this is a eight or 1684 01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:56,940 nine ten feet uh at a circle no wings no 1685 01:01:02,329 --> 01:01:00,000 tail no rotor no visible propulsion 1686 01:01:04,670 --> 01:01:02,339 system and they track it on a thermal 1687 01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:04,680 screen it's not a TV Camera it's a 1688 01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:07,020 thermal imaging system they track it for 1689 01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,640 I don't know an hour they travel along 1690 01:01:11,930 --> 01:01:10,079 with it yeah well they track some so 1691 01:01:13,849 --> 01:01:11,940 yeah this is it's approximately about 10 1692 01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:13,859 feet in diameter is what the their best 1693 01:01:19,130 --> 01:01:16,440 assumption at this point but uh what's 1694 01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,140 important about it is it shows an object 1695 01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:21,119 going into the water and this was just 1696 01:01:25,069 --> 01:01:22,980 what the our government said they 1697 01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:25,079 believe it to be transmedium they sent 1698 01:01:28,970 --> 01:01:26,880 helicopters up after this thing and 1699 01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:28,980 actually do have witnesses that actually 1700 01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,660 saw them going into the water so that's 1701 01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:32,640 a whole nother thing but here's the deal 1702 01:01:37,490 --> 01:01:34,140 man 1703 01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:37,500 all that footage it's not just one piece 1704 01:01:42,589 --> 01:01:39,660 of footage it's a military filmed weapon 1705 01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:42,599 systems that got first of all thermal an 1706 01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:45,180 object going into the water but radar 1707 01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:48,540 that showed about 14 contacts around 1708 01:01:52,730 --> 01:01:50,940 this one ship at this one time then we 1709 01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,740 have deck footage from the deck what did 1710 01:01:56,030 --> 01:01:53,760 it look like 1711 01:01:58,430 --> 01:01:56,040 and then also infrared footage off the 1712 01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:58,440 USS Russell so the corroborative Visual 1713 01:02:01,910 --> 01:02:00,059 Evidence that this was going on but then 1714 01:02:04,370 --> 01:02:01,920 once you start talking with people I 1715 01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,380 mean they're like astonished of how 1716 01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:06,480 these things could move what they could 1717 01:02:09,890 --> 01:02:07,559 do 1718 01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,900 um how they seemed to be defenseless 1719 01:02:13,490 --> 01:02:11,760 against this and then there's been all 1720 01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:13,500 this play of like oh these are just 1721 01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:15,000 drones okay maybe they're not commercial 1722 01:02:18,589 --> 01:02:16,559 drones they're definitely military 1723 01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:18,599 drones so it must be China or something 1724 01:02:23,329 --> 01:02:20,520 like that well we have a lot to say 1725 01:02:25,730 --> 01:02:23,339 about that over the course of this these 1726 01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:25,740 next episodes I mean it's like there's a 1727 01:02:30,049 --> 01:02:27,900 lot of problems with trying to dismiss 1728 01:02:32,089 --> 01:02:30,059 this very important event just to point 1729 01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:32,099 out to our listeners too so you have the 1730 01:02:36,349 --> 01:02:33,900 three different sets of images from the 1731 01:02:38,329 --> 01:02:36,359 USS Omaha the thermal screen showing 1732 01:02:40,970 --> 01:02:38,339 this giant orb travel along with the 1733 01:02:43,609 --> 01:02:40,980 ship yep then a shot of the radar screen 1734 01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,619 showing up to 14 images blinking in and 1735 01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,599 out and then the videos taken on the 1736 01:02:49,730 --> 01:02:47,280 deck that shows the lights hovering over 1737 01:02:51,470 --> 01:02:49,740 the ship right you sent those we sent 1738 01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,480 those to the Pentagon because we had 1739 01:02:55,789 --> 01:02:53,460 them and they didn't and suddenly they 1740 01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,799 had them them and people started had to 1741 01:03:00,049 --> 01:02:58,079 ask them is this for real and to our 1742 01:03:02,329 --> 01:03:00,059 utter and total astonishment the 1743 01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:02,339 Pentagon said yes yes for the first time 1744 01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,720 of the life they're honest about UFOs 1745 01:03:08,089 --> 01:03:05,760 yes they are recorded by the Navy and 1746 01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:08,099 yes they're real and yes they are 1747 01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:12,960 included in the UAP uh study so these 1748 01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:14,460 are not just ident like it's not like 1749 01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:16,319 yeah that's real but we know what they 1750 01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:19,140 are it's included in the uh so they also 1751 01:03:24,829 --> 01:03:20,819 admitted that that was included in the 1752 01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,839 UFO UAP study and and we now know to a 1753 01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:26,640 higher degree that they did study it 1754 01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:28,980 that they did go check on some of the 1755 01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:31,020 ships after that OSI office special 1756 01:03:36,049 --> 01:03:34,079 investigations for the Navy so there's a 1757 01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:36,059 huge story in there that people are 1758 01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,520 trying to just dismiss with ridiculous 1759 01:03:44,569 --> 01:03:41,099 statements yeah so among the most famous 1760 01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:44,579 images from that July 2019 episode are 1761 01:03:49,069 --> 01:03:47,160 these green pyramids that we released 1762 01:03:51,049 --> 01:03:49,079 that you you obtained a Wii release 1763 01:03:53,089 --> 01:03:51,059 together and they went all over the 1764 01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,099 world immediately and every UFO story 1765 01:03:56,510 --> 01:03:54,960 you see on every Network now they use 1766 01:03:58,370 --> 01:03:56,520 some of that video Yeah and of course 1767 01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,380 you know the the debunkers who don't 1768 01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:00,480 want this to be true try to explain this 1769 01:04:05,569 --> 01:04:04,020 is It's a trick uh a bokeh it's a trick 1770 01:04:07,549 --> 01:04:05,579 from the lens light then enters this 1771 01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:07,559 lens from night vision and it's not 1772 01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:09,420 really pyramids it's something else well 1773 01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:11,460 you know the question is are they 1774 01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:13,440 unidentified craft flying over these 1775 01:04:18,289 --> 01:04:16,380 ships because the USS Russell they had a 1776 01:04:20,089 --> 01:04:18,299 rangefinder that said one of them at 1777 01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:20,099 least was 700 feet above the deck so 1778 01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:22,740 it's not a star right yeah yeah no there 1779 01:04:25,970 --> 01:04:24,059 were absolutely 1780 01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:25,980 um remember during this time period at 1781 01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:27,960 with any given ship there was you know 1782 01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:32,220 10 14 up to 20 of these unidentified in 1783 01:04:37,370 --> 01:04:34,440 close proximity to each other swarming 1784 01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:37,380 each Navy ship usually in patterns with 1785 01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:40,500 one above some even shot down like beams 1786 01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:42,420 of Light which you know I have testimony 1787 01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,960 for we'll talk about later but uh these 1788 01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:48,240 this whole big debate of trying to say 1789 01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:51,839 oh you know the shape of it was not uh 1790 01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:54,180 you know pyramid or triangle like 1791 01:04:59,030 --> 01:04:57,660 on one level I'm like okay no problem I 1792 01:05:01,549 --> 01:04:59,040 don't care if it was shaped like Mickey 1793 01:05:02,809 --> 01:05:01,559 Mouse we have no dog in this room people 1794 01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:02,819 have put it on me because because I 1795 01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:05,040 reported it but like I don't have a dog 1796 01:05:08,210 --> 01:05:06,780 in the fight it you know if there's a 1797 01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:08,220 lens artifact that makes it look that 1798 01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:11,160 way great great I don't care however 1799 01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:13,440 the problem is is that every time you 1800 01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:15,000 and I have pushed back on the people 1801 01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:16,859 that have more sensor data and more 1802 01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:18,180 information who did this for the 1803 01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:20,339 government tell them hey you know is the 1804 01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,140 shape wrong in your original report 1805 01:05:25,370 --> 01:05:23,760 because that's all we did we put out a 1806 01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:25,380 report says triangle by angle of 1807 01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,760 observation but in the classified 1808 01:05:30,770 --> 01:05:28,559 briefings they would say shaped in the 1809 01:05:32,569 --> 01:05:30,780 form of pyramids and I I actually 1810 01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:32,579 physically saw that okay I'll admit that 1811 01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:35,099 much so the question is is the report 1812 01:05:38,329 --> 01:05:37,020 wrong and you and I have asked over and 1813 01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:38,339 over and over to the people that 1814 01:05:41,450 --> 01:05:39,720 actually generated the report that have 1815 01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:41,460 all the sensor systems and they keep 1816 01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,660 saying 1817 01:05:46,730 --> 01:05:45,119 it's it's the original it's correct and 1818 01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:46,740 it's unknown I mean the main point is 1819 01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:48,839 it's an unknown crack of unknown or 1820 01:05:52,490 --> 01:05:50,819 that's flying over U.S warships that is 1821 01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,500 the main point here's what shape it is 1822 01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:54,000 yeah yeah that is the main purpose I 1823 01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,160 just want to address that that all I did 1824 01:06:00,289 --> 01:05:58,799 was report very directly what was in 1825 01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:00,299 originally a classified document 1826 01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:02,760 unclassified slides I reported what's in 1827 01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,339 the slide I wasn't there however I 1828 01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,680 became the go-to guy to to crap on about 1829 01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:09,599 it you know if if I'm wrong about 1830 01:06:14,990 --> 01:06:12,720 anything oh Jesus you know however in 1831 01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:15,000 this case we're I don't it's 1832 01:06:18,049 --> 01:06:16,380 undetermined because you and I keep 1833 01:06:19,250 --> 01:06:18,059 going back to the original sources of 1834 01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:19,260 these reports and they're sticking by 1835 01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:21,660 their claim they are even today so a 1836 01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,640 little context for our listeners is the 1837 01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:26,160 the UAP task force gets created and it 1838 01:06:29,630 --> 01:06:28,020 is given an assignment by Congress look 1839 01:06:32,029 --> 01:06:29,640 we want to report on this what do you 1840 01:06:33,950 --> 01:06:32,039 got on UFOs and they they had very 1841 01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:33,960 limited resources and a limited time 1842 01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,700 frame to put it together but Jay 1843 01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,920 Stratton and a friend of ours Dr Travis 1844 01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:40,319 Taylor known for television programs who 1845 01:06:44,089 --> 01:06:42,299 was a chief scientist for the UAP task 1846 01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,099 force they set about to put this 1847 01:06:51,010 --> 01:06:46,400 together that this report for congress 1848 01:06:53,569 --> 01:06:51,020 144 cases from 2004 through 2020 1849 01:06:56,089 --> 01:06:53,579 143 of those cases they told Congress 1850 01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:56,099 have been unidentified and among them 1851 01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:58,859 was the USS Russell and the the USS and 1852 01:07:02,809 --> 01:07:00,780 it's it's so much more now see that's it 1853 01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:02,819 it's just so much data coming and now 1854 01:07:06,829 --> 01:07:04,260 that we've opened this Pandora's box of 1855 01:07:09,230 --> 01:07:06,839 reporting they were dealing with 144 can 1856 01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:09,240 you imagine how many cases they now have 1857 01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:10,980 or our government has to deal with but 1858 01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:13,380 to to the main point I think it's 1859 01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:16,799 important to say that the the big issue 1860 01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,599 is who is operating these vehicles where 1861 01:07:26,329 --> 01:07:23,760 do they come from what's their intent 1862 01:07:28,370 --> 01:07:26,339 some UFO cases a lot of them will be 1863 01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:28,380 explained I get them every day in my 1864 01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:29,940 email and I'm like starlink starlink 1865 01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:32,520 starlink starlink oh that's weird 1866 01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,980 a lot of them will be explained I'm not 1867 01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:36,720 interested in those I'm interested in 1868 01:07:40,609 --> 01:07:38,460 the ones that are unexplained and have 1869 01:07:42,770 --> 01:07:40,619 incredible performance like trans medium 1870 01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:42,780 capability the ability to go from space 1871 01:07:47,809 --> 01:07:44,940 to air to sea without disturbance 1872 01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,819 without inertial effect so in this 2019 1873 01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:49,680 swarm event series which we're going to 1874 01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:53,579 talk a lot about uh there is absolutely 1875 01:07:59,329 --> 01:07:56,819 no way I can dismiss this case as being 1876 01:08:02,089 --> 01:07:59,339 prosaic yet well yeah and neither can 1877 01:08:04,849 --> 01:08:02,099 the original investigators so the uip 1878 01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,859 task force prepares this report Congress 1879 01:08:09,170 --> 01:08:06,960 has a hearing first one in 50 years a 1880 01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:09,180 UFO hearing these two guys show up on 1881 01:08:13,789 --> 01:08:11,880 the Pentagon Scott Bray the deputy 1882 01:08:15,650 --> 01:08:13,799 director of Office of Naval intelligence 1883 01:08:18,349 --> 01:08:15,660 and a guy named moultry a monkey muck 1884 01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:18,359 for the Pentagon and it it became pretty 1885 01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:20,160 clear from that presentation that they 1886 01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,020 were trying to diminish public interest 1887 01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:24,540 in this topic and to to sort of minimize 1888 01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,600 how important this issue is and the USS 1889 01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,759 Russell is one of the examples that that 1890 01:08:32,689 --> 01:08:31,199 got brought up by the way they also 1891 01:08:34,189 --> 01:08:32,699 mentioned your name in the in the course 1892 01:08:36,769 --> 01:08:34,199 of this the the chairman of this 1893 01:08:38,030 --> 01:08:36,779 commission uh he mentions Corbell and I 1894 01:08:39,530 --> 01:08:38,040 thought oh my God I'm never going to 1895 01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:39,540 have it here at the end of this after he 1896 01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,100 mentions your name on the in the public 1897 01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:43,920 hearing and then they they they're asked 1898 01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:47,400 Adam Schiff uh congressman from 1899 01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:49,199 California asks a very pointed question 1900 01:08:53,809 --> 01:08:51,540 from this guy Scott Bray who had kind of 1901 01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:53,819 breezed over these things ah yeah the 1902 01:08:59,689 --> 01:08:56,040 USS Russell this pyramid stuff it's just 1903 01:09:02,870 --> 01:08:59,699 a trick of the the lens from the the um 1904 01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,880 night night vision Scott Bray says after 1905 01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:05,279 Adam Schiff asks them a question so have 1906 01:09:10,249 --> 01:09:07,980 you done your own tests and studies to 1907 01:09:12,530 --> 01:09:10,259 figure out if that that pyramid effect 1908 01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:12,540 can be duplicated and Scott Bray's 1909 01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:13,620 answer was 1910 01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,160 um 1911 01:09:18,890 --> 01:09:17,040 the UAP task force is aware of studies 1912 01:09:22,430 --> 01:09:18,900 that have done that which is a very 1913 01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:22,440 lawyerly sort of a Weasley language way 1914 01:09:26,209 --> 01:09:24,719 to avoid the question we're aware of 1915 01:09:27,769 --> 01:09:26,219 studies that have been done it doesn't 1916 01:09:30,110 --> 01:09:27,779 say we've done them doesn't say the Navy 1917 01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:30,120 denim or and it doesn't say we did 1918 01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:32,520 studies after the UAP task force to 1919 01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:34,500 discredit this because there was no 1920 01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:37,500 organization the new organization arrow 1921 01:09:41,570 --> 01:09:39,540 that was called aimsog for a while 1922 01:09:44,269 --> 01:09:41,580 didn't exist it had no director it had 1923 01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,279 no staff so them trying to dismiss these 1924 01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:46,400 cases including the Russell in Omaha 1925 01:09:50,990 --> 01:09:49,380 with One Sweep of their hand was an 1926 01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:51,000 indication of what we're going to see in 1927 01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,500 the future I think of the Pentagon they 1928 01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:54,719 want this to go away they want media to 1929 01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:56,340 stop asking questions they want the 1930 01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:58,560 public to stop demanding answers and 1931 01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,940 they're going to try to minimize it 1932 01:10:03,410 --> 01:10:01,679 every step of the way we've we've 1933 01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:03,420 certainly seen the pressure put on 1934 01:10:08,450 --> 01:10:05,940 people to not be poking around so two 1935 01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:08,460 things one is I'm kind of glad uh I I 1936 01:10:11,390 --> 01:10:10,140 thought I was hallucinating when they 1937 01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:11,400 brought up my name in the Congressional 1938 01:10:15,229 --> 01:10:13,260 hearing I literally thought I was 1939 01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:15,239 hallucinating oh I'm screwed I gotta do 1940 01:10:18,650 --> 01:10:16,679 some news reports now and I'm really 1941 01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:18,660 hallucinating but I think he did that 1942 01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:21,840 I'm hoping to try to you know put it on 1943 01:10:26,330 --> 01:10:23,640 record and protect us because 1944 01:10:28,010 --> 01:10:26,340 journalists who obtain stuff right they 1945 01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:28,020 even asked some question later like are 1946 01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:29,100 there going to be any you know 1947 01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:31,260 repercussions for people journalism 1948 01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:33,420 should be alive and well in America and 1949 01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:34,860 so that's what I was hoping that was 1950 01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:38,640 about now here's the deal man we are in 1951 01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,420 a new a new time where where people are 1952 01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:45,120 asking for answers on this and and our 1953 01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:47,100 government is trying to get together to 1954 01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:48,900 to best answers we have a report that 1955 01:10:54,290 --> 01:10:50,640 will be coming very soon but 1956 01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:54,300 additionally just recently the the 1957 01:10:59,930 --> 01:10:56,040 National Defense authorization Act of 1958 01:11:03,410 --> 01:10:59,940 2023 passed and it is a historic piece 1959 01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:03,420 of legislation it provides a UFO 1960 01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,520 whistleblower Clause that says if you 1961 01:11:09,169 --> 01:11:07,440 have been reverse engineering UFOs for 1962 01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:09,179 the United States military and you feel 1963 01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:10,560 this has been hidden from Congress you 1964 01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:12,060 can come forward to us I mean I don't 1965 01:11:15,410 --> 01:11:13,199 know who's going to come forward from 1966 01:11:17,149 --> 01:11:15,420 like lockheeds or some like that but at 1967 01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:17,159 least it'll actually we do know but we 1968 01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:19,140 do know okay but I'm just saying it's a 1969 01:11:21,890 --> 01:11:20,460 big risk for people to come forward 1970 01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:21,900 still but I'm just saying we're living 1971 01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:23,400 in a different time where there is some 1972 01:11:27,729 --> 01:11:25,500 hope that this process will work that 1973 01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:27,739 people that have worked in these UFO 1974 01:11:32,030 --> 01:11:29,940 exploitation reverse engineering 1975 01:11:34,610 --> 01:11:32,040 programs can come forward through a 1976 01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:34,620 legal fashion and say yes a part of this 1977 01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:35,640 program this is what we're doing 1978 01:11:39,890 --> 01:11:38,219 congress senate they represent us and 1979 01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:39,900 they want to know because we want to 1980 01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:41,880 know we all want to know so this could 1981 01:11:45,410 --> 01:11:44,040 be a very interesting year for UFOs well 1982 01:11:48,110 --> 01:11:45,420 I mentioned that we had released some 1983 01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:48,120 videos and then provided them made sure 1984 01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:49,800 that they were available to the Pentagon 1985 01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,400 which hadn't seen some of it and then 1986 01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:54,480 inquiries were sent to the Pentagon 1987 01:12:00,350 --> 01:11:58,260 Susan the pil and they had to respond 1988 01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:00,360 and they the first three times that they 1989 01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:02,760 said yes yes yes it's legitimate it was 1990 01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:04,260 recorded by the Navy we were 1991 01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:05,940 flabbergasted and so was everyone else 1992 01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:07,920 yeah but after that they they clammed up 1993 01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:10,440 then they said we can can't respond to 1994 01:12:13,790 --> 01:12:12,120 that anymore because I think they 1995 01:12:15,290 --> 01:12:13,800 changed the policy right yeah well that 1996 01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:15,300 so that that's a whole another thing now 1997 01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:17,340 anything UFO related is inherently 1998 01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:19,140 classified or something to that level 1999 01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:21,300 look there's always going to be one hand 2000 01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,980 trying to cover up what the other hand's 2001 01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:24,719 doing when it comes to UFOs and our 2002 01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:26,340 government we have more and up than 2003 01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:27,960 enough evidence to know the phenomenon 2004 01:12:32,750 --> 01:12:30,960 is real that it is uh not us and not 2005 01:12:34,130 --> 01:12:32,760 some known for a nation but we're going 2006 01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,140 to get there in our thought process 2007 01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:36,000 together I'm sure by having guests on 2008 01:12:42,050 --> 01:12:40,140 and doing this I think we should try to 2009 01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:42,060 to give people something that they 2010 01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:44,040 didn't have yesterday something that's 2011 01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,440 new today and kind of describe a little 2012 01:12:50,689 --> 01:12:48,480 bit about it there'll be more context 2013 01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:50,699 put out about it soon but I think we 2014 01:12:55,250 --> 01:12:53,280 want to encourage people to go ahead and 2015 01:12:56,990 --> 01:12:55,260 continue to reach out to us and send us 2016 01:12:59,209 --> 01:12:57,000 information and we will protect your 2017 01:13:01,370 --> 01:12:59,219 identity if that's necessary protect the 2018 01:13:03,169 --> 01:13:01,380 source of the information a lot of that 2019 01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:03,179 information is coming into both of us 2020 01:13:06,530 --> 01:13:04,920 yeah and uh I'm going to give an example 2021 01:13:07,810 --> 01:13:06,540 yeah so 2022 01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:07,820 um 2023 01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:11,699 when people come with information 2024 01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:15,060 in this case to me an image I need to 2025 01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:17,460 make sure if this is a legitimate image 2026 01:13:23,450 --> 01:13:20,940 and story behind it uh it it is a 2027 01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:23,460 military filmed image an intelligence 2028 01:13:29,930 --> 01:13:26,520 agency filmed image and it's called the 2029 01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:29,940 mosul orb mosul Iraq correct yeah this 2030 01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:33,420 is an image taken over Northern Iraq and 2031 01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,340 you know this is fine to put out the 2032 01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,440 image itself and the I have some 2033 01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,360 detailed information about it but here's 2034 01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:42,239 the very Basics this is in the UFO 2035 01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:43,679 category within our intelligence 2036 01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:46,320 Community this is an example of one of 2037 01:13:51,050 --> 01:13:49,380 the UFOs that are military and 2038 01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:51,060 intelligence communities looking at it's 2039 01:13:58,729 --> 01:13:55,679 just one of many images uh this one is 2040 01:14:01,490 --> 01:13:58,739 actually a still from a video it's a 2041 01:14:05,169 --> 01:14:01,500 brief video maybe four seconds where 2042 01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:05,179 this orb or this metallic looking ball 2043 01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:10,560 runs alongside a spy plane and it is 2044 01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,420 shown in this footage moving alongside 2045 01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:14,400 the plane without dropping an altitude 2046 01:14:20,270 --> 01:14:18,060 at all I don't know if it is a you UFO 2047 01:14:23,209 --> 01:14:20,280 or what a UFO is it's unidentified but 2048 01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,219 this is within uh I I don't know how to 2049 01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,679 say this this is within this is part of 2050 01:14:28,669 --> 01:14:27,120 the conversation of our intelligence 2051 01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:28,679 Community this is an example of what 2052 01:14:32,030 --> 01:14:30,000 they're looking at I know when I first 2053 01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,040 saw it when you first showed it to me uh 2054 01:14:36,169 --> 01:14:34,320 I thought to the USS Omaha I mean it's a 2055 01:14:37,570 --> 01:14:36,179 heck of a lot similar to the craft that 2056 01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:37,580 was flying around there isn't it funny 2057 01:14:43,010 --> 01:14:41,280 UFOs are often reported in four basic 2058 01:14:45,890 --> 01:14:43,020 shapes you've got 2059 01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:45,900 spheres pyramids 2060 01:14:51,790 --> 01:14:49,020 cubes and cigars I mean it's like these 2061 01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:51,800 very fundamental shapes totally not 2062 01:14:58,130 --> 01:14:55,199 aerodynamic at all right are cubes in 2063 01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,140 Spears yes yes spheres and cubes yeah 2064 01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:00,960 there's not exactly none of them you got 2065 01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:04,320 a flying Cube you know flying spear you 2066 01:15:08,090 --> 01:15:06,600 know a flying pyramid and a flying cigar 2067 01:15:10,610 --> 01:15:08,100 I mean these are these shapes are not 2068 01:15:12,290 --> 01:15:10,620 aerodynamic so for purposes of the the 2069 01:15:13,310 --> 01:15:12,300 people listening by Audio they're not 2070 01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:13,320 going to be able to see this image 2071 01:15:16,669 --> 01:15:15,000 unless they look it up but yeah they 2072 01:15:18,530 --> 01:15:16,679 look it up there it is there it is look 2073 01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:18,540 there's no one piece of evidence or 2074 01:15:22,729 --> 01:15:20,460 footage that is groundbreaking 2075 01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:22,739 especially still imagery but I wanted 2076 01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:25,320 people today to have a sense of some of 2077 01:15:29,209 --> 01:15:26,280 the stuff that we're going to be 2078 01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,219 releasing on this podcast and again this 2079 01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:31,199 is a reconnaissance plan in Northern 2080 01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:33,540 Iraq and this is a from a four second 2081 01:15:39,709 --> 01:15:37,140 video where this metallic sphere moves 2082 01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:39,719 alongside the craft without any descent 2083 01:15:45,410 --> 01:15:42,659 any falling in any way and this is one 2084 01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:45,420 of the pieces of video and photographic 2085 01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:47,460 evidence that is within the intelligence 2086 01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,620 Community saying this is a UFO we caught 2087 01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:51,840 one what can we determine from it and 2088 01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:53,820 there's just so much of this stuff 2089 01:15:57,050 --> 01:15:55,199 you'll never see this in the public 2090 01:15:59,689 --> 01:15:57,060 realm other than right here is my point 2091 01:16:03,110 --> 01:15:59,699 um so over the course of the next months 2092 01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:03,120 yeah for um weaponized yeah we will be 2093 01:16:08,030 --> 01:16:05,340 covering UFOs in great detail but we 2094 01:16:09,410 --> 01:16:08,040 will be sharing uh statements interviews 2095 01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:09,420 with people who have never come forward 2096 01:16:13,010 --> 01:16:11,460 before we physically will be here with 2097 01:16:14,270 --> 01:16:13,020 us we'll physically be here we'll be 2098 01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:14,280 talking to some people who are well 2099 01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:16,260 known in the field we'll be talking to 2100 01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:17,820 people who are well known in other 2101 01:16:22,189 --> 01:16:20,040 fields we are not going to only cover 2102 01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:22,199 UFOs but look at conspiracies and 2103 01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:25,320 cover-ups and documents crimes organized 2104 01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:28,560 crime the mafia uh celebrities uh we're 2105 01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:30,420 gonna cast a pretty wide net and try to 2106 01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:31,679 keep things interesting anything that 2107 01:16:34,970 --> 01:16:33,420 keeps you weaponized man I mean it's 2108 01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,980 like anything that I lose sleep over 2109 01:16:38,450 --> 01:16:36,719 yeah I mean this is the idea things that 2110 01:16:40,250 --> 01:16:38,460 you and I are interested in but I think 2111 01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:40,260 that our audience will also find very 2112 01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:42,719 interesting but I'm just glad that we we 2113 01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:44,460 have these talks all the time you know I 2114 01:16:48,590 --> 01:16:46,800 can work your place you come to mind and 2115 01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:48,600 we get into all these cool things the 2116 01:16:52,370 --> 01:16:50,940 people miscontext on they miss the edges 2117 01:16:54,350 --> 01:16:52,380 because they just see the news report 2118 01:16:56,270 --> 01:16:54,360 and then they make crazy statements 2119 01:16:58,490 --> 01:16:56,280 about it this gives a lot more 2120 01:16:59,689 --> 01:16:58,500 information I think a way for us to 2121 01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:59,699 really flesh out some of the stories 2122 01:17:03,169 --> 01:17:01,199 that I don't know how we would put out 2123 01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:03,179 in other ways this is a real opportunity 2124 01:17:07,490 --> 01:17:05,640 I think for the public to see your and 2125 01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,500 my conversations about this stuff want 2126 01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:09,360 to make it fun you know some of this 2127 01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:11,219 would spill over into my news reports 2128 01:17:15,890 --> 01:17:13,140 into your films into Coast to Coast 2129 01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:15,900 where I host a show on Sunday nights a 2130 01:17:19,070 --> 01:17:17,640 couple times a month and and we want to 2131 01:17:21,290 --> 01:17:19,080 make it fun and interesting and we're 2132 01:17:23,149 --> 01:17:21,300 going to be asking our listeners to give 2133 01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,159 us input and send us stuff and give us 2134 01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:25,199 ideas yeah it definitely it seems to me 2135 01:17:30,110 --> 01:17:27,840 there's a participatory element uh but 2136 01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:30,120 the the main thing is I'm just glad that 2137 01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:32,280 you and I get to finally have these sit 2138 01:17:35,330 --> 01:17:33,900 Downs even though I don't have a beer in 2139 01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:35,340 front of me we get to have these sit 2140 01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,780 downs and have these talks a little bit 2141 01:17:40,250 --> 01:17:38,880 more in depth on our time in our own way 2142 01:17:41,930 --> 01:17:40,260 and I'm glad that other people can 2143 01:17:44,030 --> 01:17:41,940 listen to that and see if they find 2144 01:17:45,410 --> 01:17:44,040 Value in that I'm excited about our 2145 01:17:47,450 --> 01:17:45,420 guests I'm excited about having people 2146 01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:47,460 sit right here who have always wanted to 2147 01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:49,020 talk to and find out what's the truth 2148 01:17:52,490 --> 01:17:50,940 about you oh I know who's coming next oh 2149 01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:52,500 yeah I know who the first guest is gonna 2150 01:17:55,729 --> 01:17:54,300 be it's gonna be good so all right 2151 01:17:57,770 --> 01:17:55,739 thanks for being with us for the first 2152 01:17:59,570 --> 01:17:57,780 weaponize yeah look forward to having 2153 01:18:01,900 --> 01:17:59,580 future conversations and a lot of fun 2154 01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:01,910 awesome thank you 2155 01:18:29,410 --> 01:18:13,940 [Music]